You are here

the latest Behringer-gate

For fans of synths, pianos or keyboard instruments of any sort.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:51 am

Wonks wrote:But I feel that it's mainly there to help fill in some of the space on the right-hand side of the panel, which is certainly a lot less cluttered than the left and centre.
An A440 switch would have been more helpful - it's a pity they chose to omit it this time around.
User avatar
The Elf
Jedi Poster
Posts: 15391
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am
Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby baward » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:51 pm

If I was 19 in 2019 (instead of age 19 in 1982, when I drove my Mums car to the HQ of EDP in Oxfordshire to collect my Wasp & Spider), I'd be knocked out by all the tons of exciting new synths coming out these days. It's almost too much!
baward
Regular
Posts: 339
Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2003 1:00 am
 

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:57 pm

*exciting old synths. :D
User avatar
Wonks
Jedi Poster
Posts: 10911
Joined: Thu May 29, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Reading, UK
Correcting mistakes on the internet since 1853

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby N i g e l » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:17 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:That would require digital control of all parameters. While doable, it would necessitate circuit changes and a move away from the authentic moog designs, almost certainly with a change in sound and/or responses to controls.

In short, it would no longer be a D...

I think the little phattys can do chaining. They are digitally controlled analogue with 4 knobs



Wonks wrote:*exciting old synths. :D

Enough with the synths ! I wish they would clone the BCR2000 knob box,
N i g e l
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1138
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:40 pm
Location: British Isles

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby nathanscribe » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:44 pm

I'd like to see them doing something more original. I like the look and sound of the Poly D, but it's not much of a stretch away from the regular model - extra VCO, a couple of pedal guts, decent case and keyboard and the control over the voice allocation. If it really is going to be $699, that doesn't translate as favourably as we're used to with Behringer synths. It's up against the Minilogue XD at that price, and that's cheaper.

If they'd used CEM VCOs and filter, given the oscs PWM and cross mod, and kept the paraphonic and round-robin modes, well... (mumbles something about the Korg Mono/Poly)

Also I'm a tad narked as I've only just bought the D. :D
User avatar
nathanscribe
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1219
Joined: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:00 am
Location: Wakefield, for my sins.
I have no idea what I'm doing.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:55 pm

nathanscribe wrote: and kept the paraphonic and round-robin modes, well... (mumbles something about the Korg Mono/Poly)

Also I'm a tad narked as I've only just bought the D. :D

I believe in one of the modes it does do round robin, at least from teh sequencer.[url][/url]
DGL.
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1194
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:00 am
Location: Portland, Dorset

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:57 pm

Wonks wrote:It's a straight lift from the TC June 60 pedal.
Which was disastrously bad IMO. You have to wonder what on earth they did to produce a supposed 'clone' that was so utterly unlike the original?! I'm not a purist about these things, but the June 60 sounds poor by any standard.

Let's hope they've fixed it on the Poly D (though I doubt it will ever be switched on on mine, if I do end up with one of these...).
User avatar
The Elf
Jedi Poster
Posts: 15391
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am
Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:45 pm

A new clone is announced ;)

The V662A, a BA662A clone. Necessary for many (mainly Roland?) vintage synths.
DGL.
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1194
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:00 am
Location: Portland, Dorset

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:39 pm

and if anyone thought Behringer were all talk and no trousers (although as a lot of us have their synths we know otherwise), the first TD3's are now in the hands of consumers, there are some mods already being proposed over at gearslutz https://www.gearslutz.com/board/modular ... -mods.html
and pictures of the internals are available.
All pretty standard from the looks of it, with topside mounted trimmers/VR's having holes in the board so they can be accessed from the bottom which is nice (even if it's probably only for ease of calibration once assembled at the factory).

Oh and if we though this rate of synth release was mad, supposedly they are just warming up!!!
DGL.
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1194
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:00 am
Location: Portland, Dorset

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BillB » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:01 pm

The Elf wrote:
Wonks wrote:It's a straight lift from the TC June 60 pedal.
Which was disastrously bad IMO. You have to wonder what on earth they did to produce a supposed 'clone' that was so utterly unlike the original?! I'm not a purist about these things, but the June 60 sounds poor by any standard.

Let's hope they've fixed it on the Poly D (though I doubt it will ever be switched on on mine, if I do end up with one of these...).

On the (2?) YT demos I heard, I thought the PolyD chorus sounded decent in mode 1 and 2 but wobbly in mode 1+2. Whereas the June 60 sounded awful in all modes, and even more awful in mode 1+2. So maybe they have tweaked it - goodness knows it needed it. Or maybe the June 60 sounds better with a synth going through it - most of the YT demos were with guitar and were a guaranteed turn off. Shame, it was a great idea in principle, so badly executed.
BillB
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1088
Joined: Mon Apr 07, 2003 12:00 am
Location: East Yorkshire

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:55 pm

BillB wrote:
The Elf wrote:
Wonks wrote:It's a straight lift from the TC June 60 pedal.
Which was disastrously bad IMO. You have to wonder what on earth they did to produce a supposed 'clone' that was so utterly unlike the original?! I'm not a purist about these things, but the June 60 sounds poor by any standard.

Let's hope they've fixed it on the Poly D (though I doubt it will ever be switched on on mine, if I do end up with one of these...).

On the (2?) YT demos I heard, I thought the PolyD chorus sounded decent in mode 1 and 2 but wobbly in mode 1+2. Whereas the June 60 sounded awful in all modes, and even more awful in mode 1+2. So maybe they have tweaked it - goodness knows it needed it. Or maybe the June 60 sounds better with a synth going through it - most of the YT demos were with guitar and were a guaranteed turn off. Shame, it was a great idea in principle, so badly executed.
1+2 always sound garbage on the original Juno 60 - I've no idea why anyone would want that option.

But yes, on the couple of demos of the Poly D I've heard the chorus sounds pretty good, though I'd never use it myself, TBH, largely because I'd never use it as a poly.
User avatar
The Elf
Jedi Poster
Posts: 15391
Joined: Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:00 am
Location: Sheffield, UK
An Eagle for an Emperor, A Kestrel for a Knave.

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:05 pm

And for Behringer's 30th birthday they are looking for worthwhile youth projects for which they have 1,000 synthesizers up for grabs because Uli want to help more people get into synthesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrMgwd-cnak
DGL.
Frequent Poster
Posts: 1194
Joined: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:00 am
Location: Portland, Dorset

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ramthelinefeed » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:07 pm

The Elf wrote:1+2 always sound garbage on the original Juno 60 - I've no idea why anyone would want that option.

Oh now! I remember we had a song where the signature sound was lovely little pad sound with chorus 1 & 2 pressed at the same time. It was like a lilac sticklebrick, only more shimmery. :angel:
ramthelinefeed
Frequent Poster (Level2)
Posts: 2624
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:00 am
Location: UK
A weasel hath not such a deal of spleen as you are tossed with!
 

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby johnny h » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:12 pm

Let’s not get too cosy with Behringer. At its heart they are an awful, parasitic company who use their huge financial and manufacturing clout to flagrantly rip off other companies, large and small, as seen with their endless legal fights with Mackie, Lexicon, Roland etc. They’ve done this throughout their entire time in the music tech history and have made an absolute fortune doing so.

However good their little ripoffs sound, you’re essentially giving your money to the Donald Trump of music technology.
johnny h
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4049
Joined: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:00 am

Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:31 pm

And enabled a whole host of people to get into music creation and production who otherwise would have been unable to afford to.
Shades of grey are available.
User avatar
blinddrew
Jedi Poster
Posts: 12170
Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:00 am
Location: York
Ignore the post count, I have no idea what I'm doing...

PreviousNext