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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:12 pm

That looks like Moog legending and a Moog knob...

A Moog 15 clone? Or the start of a range of modules?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:28 pm

The Elf wrote:That looks like Moog legending and a Moog knob...

A Moog 15 clone? Or the start of a range of modules?

probably their Eurorack Moog modules, teased in their modular case video.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:53 pm

New video, they want you to see if you can guess what it is, but no images of the actual product.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLB-mlodsFo
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ken long » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:30 am

DGL. wrote:In short, you can’t “steal” what is legally available and you don’t need to credit anyone, especially since we cloned a clone;-)

No need to say more. I would suggest that if a big company began cloning and manufacturing boutique UK mic pre-amps and undercutting the companies that researched and developed them in the first place, the SOS forum would probably go nuts.

There's legalities and then there's ethics.

Anyway...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:45 am

DGL. wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:Whatever else people think of Uli and his company, the man is extremely intelligent and knowledgeable, and he certainly knows what's what when it comes to legalities like this.

Intelligence for him was probably a given considering his father was a nuclear physicist who also designed and built his own (patented! https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publica ... C=A1&ND=4#) electronic control system for a pipe organ he had installed at his house (the organ now resides somewhere in France)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woQTCaTndhk
And people think living next to a drummer or guitarist was bad.

Electronic control systems for pipe organs, wasn’t that how SSL started out?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:04 am

Arpangel wrote:Electronic control systems for pipe organs, wasn’t that how SSL started out?

Yes.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:26 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Arpangel wrote:Electronic control systems for pipe organs, wasn’t that how SSL started out?

Yes.

Yes.

It was my job to install one in "an organ in Canterbury" :)
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Folderol » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:42 am

This is a problem.
Whenever I see SSL here I immediately wonder what Secure Socket Layer has to do with audio.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:57 pm

System 100m modules confirmed

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpiNPOiPcHU
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:47 pm

Wow! They have been BUSY!

If I was ever going to get into modular, this might be the stuff that gets me there. It's all going to be about the price.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Folderol » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:09 pm

Another thing I find refreshingly unique is that they are actively asking for comments from potential users.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:19 pm

I just saw the projected prices.

:shocked:

Now I'm considering what space I can make in the toadstool...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:10 pm

ken long wrote:
DGL. wrote:In short, you can’t “steal” what is legally available and you don’t need to credit anyone, especially since we cloned a clone;-)

No need to say more. I would suggest that if a big company began cloning and manufacturing boutique UK mic pre-amps and undercutting the companies that researched and developed them in the first place, the SOS forum would probably go nuts.

There's legalities and then there's ethics.

Anyway...
For the record, i don't think there's anything unethical about this at all. You design something new, you get a patent, that gives you a government-granted monopoly to exploit that for a limited period. After that all bets are off.
The point of patents is to promote progress, not to provide an income for life.
Innovation doesn't happen in a vacuum, it builds on what went before.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 pm

To further on Elf's post pricing, between $49-$99 per module :o
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:11 pm

ken long wrote:I would suggest that if a big company began cloning and manufacturing boutique UK mic pre-amps and undercutting the companies that researched and developed them in the first place, the SOS forum would probably go nuts.

Don't see anyone getting hot and bothered about the countless 1073 clones, or SSL bus-compressor clones, or 1176 clones, or KM84 clones, or U87-alikes ...

I certainly agree that current products should be respected and not ripped off... but one a product is well out of patent, and no longer in production (in its original form), all restrictions are off as far as I'm concerned. If there's a market, why shouldn't someone provide for it? And if they can improve on the original in some way to make it better suited to modern workflows and requirements, even better.

And Behringer have done exactly that with their modernised retakes on so many of those classic synths, string machines, vocoders, drum machines, sequencers etc .

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