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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby IAA » Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:55 pm

The pad parts are spread across the stereo field to give it some width

I thought that was well done, nice.

On my track, track 5, all FX were the P6’s - they’re surprisingly good I’ve found, such that I’ll often use them rather than my other fave plug ins - soundtoys.

I really enjoyed pushing the P6 it’s great to program and that really helps when you’re after “that sound”.

Nice one Dave.

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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:07 pm

Rich Hanson wrote:I had been thinking of selling the MiniBrute but I've changed my mind after this.

Yep. I re-evaluated it after hearing your Synth Challenge rack - most impressive results!


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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:03 pm

*blushes*
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby MarkyC » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:43 pm

I must admit I was most impressed with the overall finishing of so many of the tracks this time out. Anyone mind sharing their thoughts on their mastering.
DaveB, I really liked the sense of space in yours, tell me the secret recipe please!
I’m not sure if I’m over thinking my approach, did you guys just get the levels rite and take it from there, be really interested.

Oh goodness you do learn a lot doing these OSC things, more than just your synth! I got stuck on the bass part (still don’t like it) and then ended up focusing on that and nothing else much to the detriment of the whole thing. Ended up I hate the blasted track and won’t listen to it for quite some time.
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby MarkyC » Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:06 pm

Actual - apologies slightly obsessed with mastering at the moment (and my inabilities) - it may be just great sound choice and arrangement that made you guys sound so good :oops:
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Folderol » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:51 pm

Well certainly some surprises there, and as for people making out they're rubbish - PAH :lol:
I'm Impressed that BillB got my one - especially as I usually have lots of reverb, and this time I used barely a sniff, to try and throw people off.

I had a very strong suspicion track 4 was by log, but not certain enough to eliminate the other (wrong) ones.

Also very interested in the way people used the kit and assembled the result.

I apologise for using Yoshimi again, but I really did try hard with alternatives. The QS 300 was a nightmare having to try to read the screen by torchlight (yes, really). I absolutely {b}must{/b] get around to fixing that backlight. I really don't know how I ever had the patience to program the SY 35 - totally anti-inspiration that one.

On the software side, I tried AMS (a patch cord style modular emulation), but was spending more time working out how to make the patch links than actually getting any sound. Finally, I tried Phasex, which is rather like a knobby modular, and that was the problem - acres of knobs, just total information overload for me.

On a minor technical note, although Yoshimi has a plugin mode, I always use it stand-alone, driven by a software MIDI sequencer.

The final recording is made in a single multi-track pass. I build tracks up by using my hardware synths as dumb keyboards, so playing 1 or 2 tracks at a time, while replaying the others, or very occasionally a click track.

Mastering (such as it is) I do within Yoshimi itself. It has a surprisingly sophisticated built-in mixer setup with multiple routing and three levels of effects.
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Logarhythm » Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:53 pm

Well the great reveal is indeed most interesting!
Anyone else find it slightly heart-warming that Richie's earth-shaking bassline came from an analogue?

Having had several listens through the entire playlist I confess to not being particularly happy with my piece - it just sounds a bit ragged and unfinished, which it is :tongue:
Ran out of time despite skiving on the Friday before deadline, but decided it wasn't ok to renege on a charity thing I'd committed myself to for the rest of the weekend and wanted to submit something. Although I'd rather have been doing this than riding a long way around Cheshire in the rain and wind...
The Helm plugin quite impressed me - only downloaded it just before starting the piece and used it as a learning exercise, so there are quite a few sounds that are modified presets rather than proper programming. Still, for a free plugin it was impressively flexible. It's actually kind of donationware so I'll definitely be sending some cash their way this weekend, and might even link them to the thread.
I think my main issue, aside from skill, is that I underestimated the time commitment required for the piece - recreating Wagner's orchestration and then making it work was quite a bit more than I expected, given how short and simple it sounds :lol:
I got fairly close to how I'd envisaged it in my head, but still needs work on levels, panning, a bit of eq in places and the fx - just threw a bit of reverb and delay at some tracks as it was horribly dry, but did not have time to properly finish it. Similarly, I'd planned to manually play a lot of the filter work in but ended up having to stick with the automated stuff I'd set up as a place holder using the LFOs. May try to actually finish it this weekend, having got this far.
As for the comments about it sounding almost classical, alas that is entirely due to the skills of Mr. R. Wagner - I'm barely house trained, let alone classically trained. As I mentioned to Dave when I submitted it, Wagner deserve the credit whereas I only deserve the blame :mrgreen:
For those who don't know the piece, it's from the end of Die Walküre - this is a good example of what it's supposed to sound like: https://youtu.be/Qx55EmiFadg?t=13439
And this is an arrangement that I was listening to when I had the idea that it could be made to work as something other than opera. Alas the pianist (Cyprien Katsaris) is again vastly more skilled than I am: https://youtu.be/dm9Y2Al6Eow
Whoever it was that mentioned the "wall of sound", it's partly the original orchestration, and partly just the scale of the layering I ended up with - this was my track page:
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Have to say I really enjoyed the OSC though.
This is the first piece of music I've ever shared publicly and it was a bit nerve wracking, but the fun of working on it and the general vibe around the challenge more than made up for it!
I think I remembered to thank him via PM, but nonetheless thanks again for organising this, Dave :thumbup:
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:09 pm

Shall we have a rest for a while, and then do OSC3? I already know what synth I'm going to use if we do (it's a digital/analogue hybrid)
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby blinddrew » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:02 pm

Logarhythm wrote:This is the first piece of music I've ever shared publicly and it was a bit nerve wracking, but the fun of working on it and the general vibe around the challenge more than made up for it!
Well definitely give yourself a pat on the back for that! :)

Logarhythm wrote:I think I remembered to thank him via PM, but nonetheless thanks again for organising this, Dave :thumbup:
And similar pats on the back are definitely due for Dave as well. :)
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Dave B » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:13 pm

I think that practically, OSC3 will be a 'flush away those New Years blues and not spend any money this month' type affair at the start of next year. For obvious reasons! :) By the time we've recovered a bit and done Synthfest, it's starting to head into heavy gigging season for some and family stuff for many. So I reckon that a bit of 'me time' in Jan should be allowed.

Interesting question about my track and space. Usually, my stuff is quite dense and dry, but there's a few things that work on mine -

* Chromophone itself is quite good, but quite precise when you analyse it so each individual sound doesn't take up lots of room
* It's mainly single lines so no big smudges of chords to wash out the spectrum
* a fair bit of the ambience is delays
* I automated one bit of reverb on a sound in Chromophone - I mostly turned off the effects, but liked the odd 'booming hit' and the inbuilt reverb was nice and dark and suited it
* I tried to create 80s gated reverb for the snare hits. I pretty much failed but it didn't sound too bad
* Mostly, it's down to the Eventide 2016 room reverb plugin - it's one of the simplest to use, but just has a great sound
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Richie Royale » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:31 pm

I forgot to mention that (if it wasn't obvious) there is a rhythm line that went through a wah pedal.
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Folderol » Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:48 pm

Hmmm, gated reverb...
Nope. Sorry. Can't do that in Yoshimi :( :shh:
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Richie Royale » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:17 pm

I checked what I did with the sub-bass - 15db of LPF to 288Hz to clean off some noise. A super steep (elliptical) HPF to 34Hz. Slight boost of 1.8db at 46.6Hz (2Q) and 1.7db boost at 69.4Hz.

Not much really then.
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Folderol » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:41 pm

Richie Royale wrote:I checked what I did with the sub-bass - 15db of LPF to 288Hz to clean off some noise. A super steep (elliptical) HPF to 34Hz. Slight boost of 1.8db at 46.6Hz (2Q) and 1.7db boost at 69.4Hz.

Not much really then.
Noooo {whistles}
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Ramirez » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:50 pm

Well, this was fun!

I did mine a while ago, inspired by the original OSC, as a way to get to know the Mother 32.

It was all done on the Mother 32, using its onboard sequencer, with the exceotion of reverb (Sountoys Little Plate) and delay (IK Multimedia T-Racks Tape Echo).

It is essentially an edited jam - multitracking one part ar a time, tweaking and twiddling and playing the sequencer. I then edited out any sections that I thought got too silly or OTT.

I was unexpectedly surprised by the percussion sound I got out of it it must be said, and the sequencer has a few good tricks to add variaton too.

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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Sep 26, 2018 5:00 pm

Ramirez wrote:I was unexpectedly surprised by the percussion sound I got out of it it must be said, and the sequencer has a few good tricks to add variaton too.

I was impressed by both of those too Aled ;)


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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:19 am

So look, I was doing other life things of late - will there be a challenge III?

If so, count me in :)
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby zenguitar » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:36 am

I have a feeling there will be another ;)

I suggest...

One Synth Challenge III - Return of the VSTi.

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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Logarhythm » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:00 am

zenguitar wrote:One Synth Challenge III - Return of the VSTi.
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I think there was a proposal for the next one early in the new year, to overcome the post-Christmas lull :thumbup:
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Re: One Synth Challenge II - The Filter Strikes Back

Postby Dave B » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:54 pm

Yes - that was my thinking. From now until New Year, people with families and, you know, lives :) will be busy. So I reckon a "new year, new challenge" type idea will be most welcome.

BTW, if I can't use nobbut a K2000, then Eddy can't just use an SY85... ;)
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