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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Eddy Deegan » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:55 pm

Regarding Kronos demos; I think this sequence of beautiful little snippets by Fernando Draganici is right up there with the best of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsB15f-BwEI

If you liked that, you'll probably like this as much:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm__y0wro5Y

Never selling mine, no matter how many menus it has! :thumbup:
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Folderol » Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:55 pm

Pretty damn good.
{wish I could play like that}
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:21 am

IAA wrote:Yeah, look at Mr Rudess, no bank of keyboards, just the Kronos and an iPad! Mind you that is some keyboard stand........

I keep staring at my I Pad thinking, yes, that’s the solution, it’s obvious, it’s all I need, but somehow it’s so unattractive, as a medium for live use especially. It’s just dull.
I’ve got some great pianos on it, I’ve got TC11 and Thumb Jam, perfect substitutes for my Buchla, but do I ever use it...no.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby The Red Bladder » Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:59 am

mitya33 wrote:The Kronos seems to do everything but at the cost of being user friendly. It seems fiendishly comex; would anyone confirm or deny this suspicion? How long do you think it might take of learning before I started to get some mileage out of it?
The time it takes to switch it on and for it to boot-up. Press the keys and off you go!

This might help - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0M582S0i4U

I once and once only (at the Musikmesse in Frankfurt) tried a Nord and could make head nor tail of it and gave up.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:37 pm

I bought a Kronos 2 88 today, so I’m sorted. It hurt a bit, but I’m taking pain killers, and a large G&T. Looking forward to exploring it when it arrives...
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby N i g e l » Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:29 pm

That looks comprehensive & plenty of space on top to velcro your iPad ?

{i watched a few Kronus vids on uTube
velcro special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkVnUl8Z6eI

}
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:59 am

N i g e l wrote:That looks comprehensive & plenty of space on top to velcro your iPad ?

{i watched a few Kronus vids on uTube
velcro special:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkVnUl8Z6eI

}

I’ve got it on fourteen day trial, I still haven’t ruled out the Nord, but I need to try them first.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby The Elf » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:52 pm

After much mulling I finally ditched my Kronos a while back. I have to say that I haven't given it a second thought since it left. I have discovered that I have other tools that do at least as good a job, and are definitely much easier to live with.

As a TV advert once asserted 'power is nothing without control'...
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:15 am

The Elf wrote:After much mulling I finally ditched my Kronos a while back. I have to say that I haven't given it a second thought since it left. I have discovered that I have other tools that do at least as good a job, and are definitely much easier to live with.

As a TV advert once asserted 'power is nothing without control'...

Yes, I’ve only had mine a day, and it’s doing my head in. It’s actually a joke, how complex and unintuitive it is. Also, I’m not bowled over like I thought I would be by the actual sound.
I’m going to give the Nord a try, I don’t know why some people here have said the Nord is complex, unfathomable, if you want to ad a bit of reverb etc you just reach out for a knob, it’s all there in front of you, that seems more intuitive to me.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby The Elf » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:59 am

Arpangel wrote:
The Elf wrote:After much mulling I finally ditched my Kronos a while back. I have to say that I haven't given it a second thought since it left. I have discovered that I have other tools that do at least as good a job, and are definitely much easier to live with.

As a TV advert once asserted 'power is nothing without control'...
Yes, I’ve only had mine a day, and it’s doing my head in. It’s actually a joke, how complex and unintuitive it is.
Wait until you begin to trying to understand how to load/save individual sounds... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:19 am

The Elf wrote:
Arpangel wrote:
The Elf wrote:After much mulling I finally ditched my Kronos a while back. I have to say that I haven't given it a second thought since it left. I have discovered that I have other tools that do at least as good a job, and are definitely much easier to live with.

As a TV advert once asserted 'power is nothing without control'...
Yes, I’ve only had mine a day, and it’s doing my head in. It’s actually a joke, how complex and unintuitive it is.
Wait until you begin to trying to understand how to load/save individual sounds... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I’ve done it, buts it’s a total PITA, on the Nord, strangely :) there is just one button, and strangely again :) it’s called "Store" you just choose your location, press it twice and that’s that.
As much as it contradicts what I’ve said in the past, the Nord is looking more attractive by the minute.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby The Elf » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:56 am

Nothing wrong with the Nord, but I'd take a Kurzweil every time. Much, MUCH more flexible - like the engine of the Kronos, but with a far easier operating system.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:13 am

The Elf wrote:Nothing wrong with the Nord, but I'd take a Kurzweil every time. Much, MUCH more flexible - like the engine of the Kronos, but with a far easier operating system.

Which Kurzweil would you recommend?
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby IAA » Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:20 am

I’m not going to say go for one or the other, it’s your choice, but I find saving and adding FX on the Kronos quite straightforward. I think the depth of control and it’s sampling are real assets in the studio. It’s not the easiest OS to understand for sure, but I wouldn’t be without it.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby The Elf » Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:41 am

Arpangel wrote:
The Elf wrote:Nothing wrong with the Nord, but I'd take a Kurzweil every time. Much, MUCH more flexible - like the engine of the Kronos, but with a far easier operating system.

Which Kurzweil would you recommend?
It all depends on what you need. For a simple plug'n'go stage keyboard the old K2000 would still be fine (lovely feeling keyboard too), but if you want more fancy features, such as ribbons, weighted keys, longer keyboard... you move forward in time. If it's VAST it's more than capable of what you want - the only thing you may want to check is whether the one you choose has sample RAM installed, should you want to load your own samples.

After a bit of a blip in my Kurzweil faith Dave B re-introduced me to the church with the PC3K7, and that has become my third arm - such an easy synth/workstation to live with.

Word has it that the latest Kurzweil VAST synth is just as good as the old ones, but it's very light (a bit too much light platic for my taste, TBH) and comes with an external PSU - you could take a look at that if you want something contemporary with a shop-bought guarantee.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby N i g e l » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:39 pm

Nothing wrong with the Nord, but I'd take a Kurzweil every time. Much, MUCH more flexible - like the engine of the Kronos, but with a far easier operating system

After a bit of a blip in my Kurzweil faith Dave B re-introduced me to the church with the PC3K7, and that has become my third arm - such an easy synth/workstation to live with.

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PC3k8 (weighted keys) is my mothership, it is comprehensive and very easy to knock up some midi on the recorder {and even hand edit out some of my mistakes}. Its verging on a two man lift so perhaps not for carting around. One of the original design goals was as reinforcement in the orchestra pit, so the instrument sounds are very useable.

The big piano sound is the triple_strike_piano .

VAST is comprehensive but as its complex like a modular, you will have to spend time with it. Even trying out all the effects will take time. There are a load of good tutorial videos of course.

The PC editor is downloadable from Kurzweil which would give you an idea of what it can do.

The onboard demos are good and can be listened to from the Kurz website
http://kurzweil.com/product/pc3k8/audio/
the Kurz Supremecy is my favourite.

I dont know how this all relates to their more modern gear. One complaint has been the size of the display but Im happy with it. Im ok with seeing text "StonePhasor12" rather than seeing an actual hi res image of said footpedal.
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Re: Korg Kronos - too much for noob?

Postby Arpangel » Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:49 am

Just checked out the Kurzweil Rhodes, not sure if it’s as good as the Nord Rhodes? Sounds a bit synthetic, a good Rhodes is the most important thing for me.
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