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Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:06 pm
by apislapis
Awwww fellas, you're putting me off the JU06A. I bought the DM12D last month and I've only had a few opportunities to noodle with it thus far. I chose the DM12D because various reviews said it was more JU inspired than JU clone and I thought I may treat myself to the JU06A as it was a more faithful clone and last time I missed out on the JU 06. Are you guys suggesting I keep my money (which is usually a good thing) and carry on noodling with my DM12D?

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:49 am
by The Elf
The DM12D is a *far* superior synth to any of the Boutique series in every way, and definitely has the Juno genes, though it is superior to any of the original Junos too. Honestly, they really weren't such good synths - they were for those of us who couldn't afford a Jupiter! :lol:

If you like the sound of the DM I would keep your money in your pocket.

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:52 pm
by nathanscribe
The Elf wrote:It needed the chorus to make up for the weedy single DCO - ugh! But yes, the chorus brought it to life. Once I heard a Jupiter 8, or even a JX-8P (which replaced my Juno 6) the game was up - no looking back!

And both of those came from Carlsbro Sheffield! :lol:

I bought my Juno 60 from Fox's Music in Leeds in 1995, and it bore a smattering of Carlsbro stickers. As well as some shiny go-faster stripes, which I promptly removed. That wasn't you, was it..? :D

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:16 pm
by The Elf
Definitely not mine, but it does sound like one I knew! :o

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:01 am
by Blott
Roland have traded on their past reputation for decades.

I was a Roland fan boy, but they peaked in the mid 90's and it's been downhill ever since.

If you based their reputation on the last two decades rather than the last 4, it would not be a good one.

Their product support is terrible and they just abandon products.

Even flagship synths like the Jupiter 80 or Integra 7 receive little in the way of fixes or updates and you can no longer use the iPad editor (that too has simply been abandoned).

Scandalous really.

Wouldn't trust Roland as far I can throw them now.

Thankfully there's lots of alternatives these days, so it matters not, it's just a terrible shame to see how far the once mighty Roland have now fallen. :(

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:17 am
by Dave B
Look, I don't understand where all this anger is coming from!

..... :bouncy: :headbang: :roll:

(sorry - "in" joke from last years Synthfest)

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:01 am
by The Elf
And let's not forget the poor Korg rep who was slapped (literally!) when he admitted that the KingKorg didn't have aftertouch! Legend! happily it was a comedy moment, but it really did shock the entire room!

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:49 pm
by Dave B
Korg Prologue m'dear ... get it right ... ;)

(and no, it wasn't me)

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:03 pm
by Rich Hanson
The Elf wrote:And let's not forget the poor Korg rep who was slapped (literally!) when he admitted that the KingKorg didn't have aftertouch! Legend! happily it was a comedy moment, but it really did shock the entire room!

Indeed. I really like my KingKorg, and I don't really use aftertouch that much, but as soon as I am in a situation when I *do* want it, it immediately becomes bloody irritating.

Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:32 pm
by Guest
I just bought a Roland GW8 and am slowly learning my way around it. Ill be using it for live gigs and have a question: Is it possible to use the style player and then turn on the song player without having to stop? For example, if I want to jump from a style to a sequenced song or an mp3 song without any pauses, is it possible to do so? Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:29 am
by Arpangel
I'm just trying to remember the last truly great Roland keyboard that stuck in my mind ?
The Jupiter 8 ?
Kong had better luck, M1, Wave Station (AD) Even things like the Triton workstations were cool, and Kong did release the KARP Odyssey Full Size.
Roland have lost there way to a certain extent.

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:05 am
by The Elf
Arpangel wrote:Roland have lost there way to a certain extent.
Roland have certainly produced some great devices since the JP8! Let's not forget the Junos (not my personal favourite, but much loved by many), JX (including my beloved MKS-70), JD, JV, XV and even the Integra 7. The JP-80 is a decent performance keyboard, though calling it a 'Jupiter' was, at best. misguided, IMHO.

But Roland do seem to make some odd design decisions. Emulations of classic synths are one thing, but to then package these in tiny boxes, with half the voice allocation of the originals is, to me, very odd. Along came the System 8, with its fabulous synth engine and innovative 'plug-out' concept, but locked inside hardware more suited to a home keyboard.

The Jupiter X seems worth a look, but why take a step back from full ACB for this one when the hardware seems finally worthy of it? And the XM - I don't get it. Yet another mini keyboard and built-in speakers!? Does the world constantly travel backwards and forwards with these things tucked under their arm? I'm unconvinced. If they sell by the bucketload, then good luck to them.

If they didn't sell they wouldn't make them, so somebody's needs are being met - just maybe not yours and mine.

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:22 am
by Arpangel
The Elf wrote:
Arpangel wrote:Roland have lost there way to a certain extent.
Roland have certainly produced some great devices since the JP8! Let's not forget the Junos (not my personal favourite, but much loved by many), JX (including my beloved MKS-70), JD, JV, XV and even the Integra 7. The JP-80 is a decent performance keyboard, though calling it a 'Jupiter' was, at best. misguided, IMHO.

But Roland do seem to make some odd design decisions. Emulations of classic synths are one thing, but to then package these in tiny boxes, with half the voice allocation of the originals is, to me, very odd. Along came the System 8, with its fabulous synth engine and innovative 'plug-out' concept, but locked inside hardware more suited to a home keyboard.

The Jupiter X seems worth a look, but why take a step back from full ACB for this one when the hardware seems finally worthy of it? And the XM - I don't get it. Yet another mini keyboard and built-in speakers!? Does the world constantly travel backwards and forwards with these things tucked under their arm? I'm unconvinced. If they sell by the bucketload, then good luck to them.

If they didn't sell they wouldn't make them, so somebody's needs are being met - just maybe not yours and mine.

The question, what does your average pro gigging musician want from a keyabord these days? A good piano/organ sound, some classic synth stuff, and that's about it.
Most manufacturers have got things that cover all that, and most of the stuff that comes with the flagship synths from the major manufacturers probably never, ever gets used.
These types of people are the main marketing area for keyboard products.
I think "people like us" are a minority, and alternative or experimental players who are into exploration and programming aren't the main thrust for Roland etc, we aren't their main income stream, although, at the same time, it could be said, that the majority of sales goes to amateurs, not professionals.
Modular and stuff like that is aimed at us, made by people who's bottom line isn't the balance sheet, we know the amazing range of bizzare and wonderful instruments out there that are available to us, but that's not the Roland or Yamaha market.

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:43 pm
by The Elf
To some extent - maybe even the greater extent - I wonder if what we are seeing is the difference between the passion of Mr Kakehashi and those now in control of Roland...

Re: Roland JU06A

PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:11 pm
by blinddrew
I suspect it's all about market shifts. When a lot of the 'classic' synths came out they cost a fortune. So they were designed and built for serious professionals because they were the only ones who could afford them.
Fast forward a few decades and professional musicians have less money than the amateurs and Behringer are knocking stuff out to the hobby market for £300.
Different audience, different use-case, different design decisions.
Maybe... ;)