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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Rich Hanson » Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:47 am

Eddy Deegan wrote:I learned something new the other day. A fact which surprised me in that I didn't know I didn't know it.

Ever wondered (or assumed you knew) what pineapples grow on? ;)

Unless you really do know, you might be surprised. I've been taking a straw poll amongst friends and family since I acquired this information and so far the majority assumed, as I had, that they grew on trees.

Er, on my bird feeder? :o

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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Logarhythm » Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:22 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:I learned something new the other day. A fact which surprised me in that I didn't know I didn't know it.

Ever wondered (or assumed you knew) what pineapples grow on? ;)

Unless you really do know, you might be surprised. I've been taking a straw poll amongst friends and family since I acquired this information and so far the majority assumed, as I had, that they grew on trees.
They're a weird fruit that grows on a somewhat weird plant ;)
The fruit itself forms from multiple flowers, each of which forms a single part of the fruit (the "scales" you can see on the outside of the pineapple are the remnant of each of these) that coalesce as they develop to form a single "multiple fruit".
You can't see what's going on inside the plant, but this timelapse gives a reasonable idea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJmHxLxBnko
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Folderol » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:22 pm

'kinnell. I had no idea they took that long to grow Image
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby ManFromGlass » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:37 pm

Perhaps the gmo ones grow faster? Almost all of them imported here are from Costa Rica where gmo pineapples are the king.
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Logarhythm » Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:36 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Perhaps the gmo ones grow faster? Almost all of them imported here are from Costa Rica where gmo pineapples are the king.
IIRC the only GM variant currently commercialised is a Del Monte one with pink flesh, and my understanding is that the modification they've made simply (at least in theory) alters the enzymatic behaviour so the pinkish colour visible in the young fruit persists into maturity, rather than turning to the more typical yellow colour.
I'm not aware of a GM yellow pineapple that is currently on sale, and FWIW Costa Rica grows some damned good pineapples and I think is the largest grower globally. Off the top of my head I'd guess that the MD2 (AKA Gold) and Smooth Cayenne are probably the predominant varieties, neither of which are genetically modified.

(If it isn't obvious, I have to be interested in pineapples for professional reasons...).

Edited to add: Apologies to BillB - this is unusually far off topic even for SOS :mrgreen:
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby desmond » Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:52 pm

Getting back on topic - how would you classify/tag your "growing pineapples" synth sound, and what synth and approach would you use to synthesize it?
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Logarhythm » Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:49 pm

desmond wrote:Getting back on topic - how would you classify/tag your "growing pineapples" synth sound, and what synth and approach would you use to synthesize it?
Good question, Desmond.
As a rough outline: That tangy mouthfeel that pineapple has (courtesy of an enzyme called Bromelain) suggests to me that the basis should be sawtooth - possibly two of, offset, and with some cross-modulation. I'm feeling a bandpass filter too. Amp envelope has a sharp attack, as the natural acid component hits the tongue fairly quickly, not too much decay, and a bit of a release tail as that zingy effect tends to linger. Probably a bit of modulation to the filter frequency, moving around between certain components of the flavour profile - the fruity "body", the sharper acid element, that strange sensation of having your mouth tenderized by the enzymatic content etc.
As for synth of choice, I'm on a very slimmed-down setup at the moment, but I'd start by knocking up a rough idea in Helm (which has continued to impress me since I used it for one the One Synth Challenge) and decide if it was missing anything that I needed to go elsewhere for.
I think one would play it polyphonically, almost like a deranged electric piano sound, but I might change my mind on that later.

This is unquestionably the most I've ever thought about the sound of a pineapple, and I'm going to have to try it once I've taken the dog for a walk :mrgreen:
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby desmond » Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:57 pm

We *need* a new, 19-part "Fruit Secrets - How To Synthesize Popular (and Exotic) Fruits" series from Gordon Reid to really get in depth with this...

Get on the (fruit-)case, SOS editorial team! :thumbup: :wave: :crazy:
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby BillB » Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:58 pm

desmond wrote:Getting back on topic - how would you classify/tag your "growing pineapples" synth sound, and what synth and approach would you use to synthesize it?
Phew, well done, Desmond. I was sitting back and trying not to be precious about 'my' topic :lolno:
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby ManFromGlass » Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:27 pm

I shall do a bit more research into the source of the Costa Rica gmo info. The pineapples that reach our shores have a 50/50 chance of ripening or rotting, and if they do ripen they are remarkably acidic on the tongue. It’s rare to get a delicious one.

As for music, I’ve been tempted to buy those sensors (that could be attached to pineapples) that allow plants to create music. If Martin is perusing this thread - have you explored this?
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Arpangel » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:53 am

BillB wrote:
Arpangel wrote:it’s the notes that interest me more not the actual sounds, or textures.
I think the above summarises an approach that is coming through quite strongly in this thread. Very interesting, perhaps a reflection of the difference between ‘players’ and ‘synthesists’? Not that I am trying to define one or the other, just accepting that people own hardware or software for different reasons.

Given that sense of opting for a limited palette of sounds, why do folks get excited when new synths are announced (e.g. Novation Summit, ASM Hydra, Moog One, ARP 2600) or speculated about (Behringer CS80). Is it new sound creation possibilities, new performance capability or just the prospect of owning something shiny - and new? No criticism of anyone’s approach or motives, my own are not that good (owning a (box)room full of synths that I am forever trying to ‘organise’ rather than play or record) but I am interested in what drives folks to want new synths, if not new sounds....

I have a modular, I "have" to program that every time I use it, that’s different to using a very complex digital synth, which I have no interest in programming anymore, I’ve got my sounds and that’s that. It’s quite ironic, that I’ve done very little music lately, and I’m talking about wasting time programming, in the amount of time I’ve spent on this forum I could have made about 20 CD's, so it’s all a bit silly really.

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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby BillB » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:07 am

Arpangel wrote:It’s quite ironic, that I’ve done very little music lately, and I’m talking about wasting time programming, in the amount of time I’ve spent on this forum I could have made about 20 CD's, so it’s all a bit silly really.
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Arpangel » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:54 am

BillB wrote:
Arpangel wrote:It’s quite ironic, that I’ve done very little music lately, and I’m talking about wasting time programming, in the amount of time I’ve spent on this forum I could have made about 20 CD's, so it’s all a bit silly really.
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Sure, but it's nice to be part of a community of fellow nerds
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There are nerds, and "nerds" I suppose you could call me a bit of a nerd, but I’m certainly not a "nerd", those are real "nerds" nerds.
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:21 pm

And, thus, the 'geeks' shall inherit the Earth
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Re: Synth sound strategies...

Postby Folderol » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:26 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:And, thus, the 'geeks' shall inherit the Earth

What about the poor downtrodden "Boffins"?

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