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New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:14 pm
by Chevytraveller
Finally!.. 30 years on... more Wavesequencing..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8NVBHmQfRw

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Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:36 pm
by Martin Walker
Interesting!

Brought up to date sound-wise, and significantly more controllable than the original. Could be a winner, although I suspect someone will be along soon to point out its shortcomings ;)


Martin

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:15 pm
by desmond
As a former/current WS nerd, I like that it has a new take.

Apart from the more accessible interface, the main thing it brings to the table is that sequences aren't just static lists of values, but can have various probabilities and looping on independent parts of the sequence - this can bring controllable but semi-random stuff which I think would be pretty nice.

Polyphony is up over the WS, but layers are down, but for me, one of the strengths of the WS was in subtley and colour, rather than balls-to-the-wall 1-finger jams - some of the demo sounds were not great, but as always with these things, the strengths happen when you get it to do what *you* want.

People are complaining about the 3-octave keyboard of course (c'mon, don't people interested in buying hardware synths *already* have plenty of keyboards to use?) and that it's not analog (presumably, all the hundreds of other analog synths and mouldar stuff released in the past few years isn't quite enough for them).

And yes, views on Wavestation articles are trending, today... :lol:

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:24 am
by Chevytraveller
I was also a big Wavestation nerd.. one of my favourite synths of all time..
It got quite a reputation for being difficult to program but I didn't find that(probably because I was young and in love)
Looking forward to programming wavesequences with the new tactile interface..
I do wish they had taken the opportunity to allow user samples into the wavebank but never mind, at least it has resonant filters this time..

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Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:08 am
by Dave B
+1 for what Chevvy said. :)

I really hope that this is just the basic version and that a bigger, expanded version will come in due course - it makes such sense to do that. I'm trying to be good at the moment, so might hold off playing this new toy for a while, even though that will be difficult. But I am so happy that Korg have recognised that they had something special and though about bringing it up to date. Bravo Korg.

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:49 am
by Wonks

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:57 am
by Wonks
To me it sounds that you'll need to program most of your own sounds and ditch the over-busy user presets (though that's generally true for most synths). But it would be nice to hear some good useable musical patches on the synth.

I agree with Chevy that no user samples is a big omission, and could really have taken this to another level.

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:23 am
by The Elf
Unconvinced, but open-minded.

A 'convenient sized package'? For who?

Yet another synth for those who have their studio in a cupboard under the stairs, yet seem to have space for dozens of wall warts and only play with one hand...

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:48 am
by IAA
and only play with one hand...
:D

Having to midi it to a proper size keyboard is ridiculous - but I assume sales speak...

I enjoyed the Daniel Fisher demo - but, I think I can get most of this with the Kronos (a bit fiddly to be honest but doable for the odd song or two) or the Arturia Pigments (which is a lovely softsynth and you can roll your own samples and wavetables)...so for me whilst its a hats off to Korg for doing something moderately interesting, I'm saving myself for their KARP 2600 - then I'm done..........

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:57 am
by The Elf
IAA wrote:
and only play with one hand...
:D
Having to midi it to a proper size keyboard is ridiculous - but I assume sales speak...
Agreed. I'm clearly not the market for these things, but it it genuinely baffles me. Either make it a module to save space, or put a proper keyboard on it to avoid having to use a second keyboard - to save space. Who's crying out for this 'one-size fits nobody'?

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:12 pm
by Rob Kirkwood
The Elf wrote:Yet another synth for those who have their studio in a cupboard under the stairs, yet seem to have space for dozens of wall warts and only play with one hand...

Have you been spying on me?

...and HOW can anyone play anything with two hands when there's a packet of hobnobs sitting just over there?

Another old wavestation fan here (in every sense of the phrase). Back in the day, I wrote (and, more importantly, sold :thumbup: ) many pieces of music primarily with a Roland W30 + Wavestation SR - so I'm pleased to see this.

Could I justify buying one? Probably not. While the boxes are long gone I do already have the ipad version - so this would take some explaining ... but I'm still very pleased to see it appear.

Rob

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:17 pm
by desmond
The Elf wrote:Agreed. I'm clearly not the market for these things, but it it genuinely baffles me.

You just need to stand aside from your own viewpoint a little - not everybody buying synths are like you. :crazy:

There are plenty of people buying & using synths, and making music, who aren't "players". They can't play a melody, or even do a few chords (let alone *two-handed* chords!). A lot of the time notes are being entered into the computer by mouse, or there'a lot of modular geeks who don't even do "notes" in the traditional sense - there's a lot of stochastic randomness and seq/lgo/s&h generated events and so on.

The bottom line is there is a huge market of people, buying a lot of gear, who don't want a room full of 61-key keyboards, and if anything, the size of those things would put them off. However, these folks can often find room for another desktop module, or small synth, or shuffle a few bits around to incorporate something new that's not too big.

That's a lot of the synth market these days, and that's why there are so many small-size products being made - and also being sold.

Yes, it's not the *only* market, and there are "players" and even "piano players" who can't do anything without holding at least three octaves of root notes in their left hands. (And those folks *will* already have plenty of available keyboards in their rooms.)

It's common these days I think to assume every product being released should be directly intended at you, but this isn't the case (especially as you get older!) and on the internet it seems people are more likely to cry "how dare they! they didn't think of *me* when designing this product" instead of "well, this one isn't my bag, pass..."

The Elf wrote:Either make it a module to save space, or put a proper keyboard on it to avoid having to use a second keyboard - to save space. Who's crying out for this 'one-size fits nobody'?

Or use less keys - to save space. Just a design decision. I'm sure if this is popular, there will be other versions that will fit other needs and tastes...

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:27 pm
by The Elf
desmond wrote:It's common these days I think to assume every product being released should be directly intended at you...
No no no, I'm resigned to that. This isn't for me. But who *is* it designed for? That's what I'm confused about!

If space is the overriding factor, then drop the keyboard altogether.

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:06 pm
by Rich Hanson
I'll stick my oar in on this one. I rarely play two handed (except for piano/organ sounds) and I often orchestrate my music in single lines, hence for me a three octave keyboard is big enough to accommodate melodies and bass lines that don't remain within an octave. In addition, I don't particularly like modules either, I like something that I can switch on and play without having the (admittedly fairly minor) faff of routing MIDI from my master keyboard.

Mini keyboards, OTOH...

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:29 pm
by The Elf
That's a good insight, Rich. Korg aren't stupid - there must be many more like you.

Rich Hanson wrote:Mini keyboards, OTOH...
:thumbup: :lol: I have a feeling that (hopefully) Korg have heard us loud and clear on that subject!

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:45 pm
by Rich Hanson
I would also add, though, that if a keyboard is splittable, then it should have at least four octaves and preferably more, that's why in the case of the VC340 I do think the three octave keyboard is a shame.

Admittedly on the rare occasion I play live, each hand is usually on a different keyboard, so for me even there it's not that much of an issue.

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:46 pm
by desmond
The Elf wrote:If space is the overriding factor, then drop the keyboard altogether.

Well, it's probably not an overriding factor, but having a keyboard makes a black box that otherwise needs to be plugged into other required stuff to use much more immediate - and you can buy one as your first synth/musical instrument.

I suspect Korg are targetting this as the kind of synth you'd have next to your computer for immediate fun, tweaking and inspiration, or as something you'd take to a gig for simple, transportable synth parts (not every synth player is playing pianos, organs and other "full" parts)...

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:29 pm
by The Elf
Rich Hanson wrote:I would also add, though, that if a keyboard is splittable, then it should have at least four octaves and preferably more, that's why in the case of the VC340 I do think the three octave keyboard is a shame.
I agree. The VC-340 is the one that's recently dismayed me most. If it was a duff instrument I wouldn't care, but it's a cracker, but for this woeful design decision.

By missing one octave of keyboard they saddled the VC-340 with an octave up/down switch it didn't need. And split the keyboard and you have one octave of split on one side! You could see the demonstrators awkardly avoiding talking about this when it was launched.

An ha'porth of tar would have put the VC-340 as one of the all-time greats in my list. I'm genuinely saddened by this, rather than annoyed. :(

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:54 pm
by Rich Hanson
A thought just popped in my head (it does happen occasionally) that possibly shipping costs could even be a factor - the smaller the unit, the more items can be crammed into a shipping container, presumably for the same cost.

I suppose with these sorts of things there are many many trade-offs.

Re: New Wavesequencing

PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:25 pm
by N i g e l
yeah ! The Wavestate looks & sounds very interesting.

My preference would be for a desktop module unless there is somthing special about the keyboard (im mentally comparing the form factor to the 4 octave ASM Hydrasynth or module).