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Postby The Elf » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:12 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Gordon Reid's review of the DD claimed that the raw waveforms were pretty much identical and the sound was pretty much identical as a result. Yes, there were some differences such as in the PWM range and the relative levels of different waveforms, but nothing that couldn't be tweaked in a new design given the will and attention to detail.
It won't matter anyway. There are loads of 'experts' out there who will tell you it sounds nothing ('night and day') like the original! :headbang: :lol:
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Johnsy » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:13 pm

Folderol wrote:For anyone interested in the details of this quite fascinating chip look here:
https://electricdruid.net/cem3340-vco-v ... r-designs/

Excellent link. :thumbup:
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Martin Walker » Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:59 pm

Indeed - Curtis chips get a bit of a bad press at times, yet they still (deservedly) have plenty of enthusiastic followers.


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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:53 pm

Some updates,
RD-9 is shipping from the factory and they have confirmed that it contains their new BA662 clone chip, the only recreation of the BA662 available,, there are others but they are not a clone of the actual silicone but a clone made out of a few SMD components on a little board.

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More interesting though is the announcement that within the next 30 days they are to announce TWO new synths that not only have they not teased us about but that will be ready to ship from their factory the moment they are announced!
No tease and years of waiting for these two new synths :thumbup:
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:36 pm

DGL. wrote:but that will be ready to ship from their factory the moment they are announced!

At eighteen quid postage, from Sweden.

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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby t-sun » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:45 am

If they haven't been teasing them, I assume that they're not clones but something more like the Crave or the Neutron.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Terrible.dee » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:21 am

Zukan wrote:Behringer/Music Tribe’s application to trademark the “Behringer Oberheim” name has been rejected, according to US Patent Office (USPTO).

Look into Mr Behringer's past....NUMEROUS lawsuits for stealing designs. He's made a career of it.

He has his own "City" in China where this stuff is made....seriously......I wonder what the conditions are like for the workers?

He tried to sue a poster on Gearslutz. He had the Chinese government muzzle a reviewer who had the nerve to call his products "clones" He recently bullied the inventor of the 303 "devil fish" mod for his intellectual property.

If you look on the "employee review" website, "Glassceling.com" you'll read his former employees describe him as a sociopath.

At a certain point, the issue is no longer...."Does this sound like the original?", "Is this a good deal?"

The issue is whether I am going to support evil or not.

Beringer can clone any synth they want......I do NOT support evil, so I wont be buying ANY of them.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:54 am

Terrible.dee wrote:
Beringer can clone any synth they want......I do NOT support evil, so I wont be buying ANY of them.

All it takes is for good men to do nothing etc….
But, his stuff is very tempting though, I like the idea of being able to put together an ARP 2500 for about £500, but it’s not an ARP 2500, and it’s not worth much on the secondhand market should I decide to re-sell one day, if I could afford to, and I bought an original, it would be worth way more than I paid for it in five years time, these things are important, if you’re investing that type of money.
Other people will think differently, and it’s not clear cut, I have Behringer monitors, and a compressor, that’s it, I bought them when I had little money, and I still have them, they are good and do the job, sometimes it’s difficult to resist. But I "needed" monitors and a compressor, I don’t "need" a synth clone that desperately, in a way, unrealistically, I’d rather not have it unless I can afford an original, and for some thats just not an option, but they still want it, enter Behringer
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:58 pm

Terrible.dee wrote:I do NOT support evil, so I wont be buying ANY of them.

You are not alone in this viewpoint, as a search through the entirety of this thread, and others on the site, will attest.

Of course, others take a different view, and they are entitled to form their own opinions.

And while your examples of questionable practices are well known, they aren't the complete story, or necessarily reflective of the current situation.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:57 pm

Plus we seem to forget that Dave Smith screwed over E-MU back in teh day but no-one seems to bring that up, and that the original prophet 5 was not really that much of a sequential instrument (the analogue side and keyboard scanning was E-MU's work) yet they are still living on that legacy with the new models.

But in other news they are currently teasing something called BRAINS, to be revealed on Tuesday (15th) .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w24_pBvgwh4

not quite sure what it could be, possibly an MPC clone?
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby BJG145 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:32 pm

Terrible.dee wrote:He has his own "City" in China where this stuff is made....seriously......I wonder what the conditions are like for the workers?

Wow, so he does. MusicTribe City, Zhongshan. Three million square feet of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08yTRb69AVw

Google Maps

https://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/03/mu ... inger.html

DGL. wrote:Plus we seem to forget that Dave Smith screwed over E-MU back in teh day but no-one seems to bring that up

(What's the story there...? I can't find anything on it.)
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am

The trouble here, is Uli about to threaten the whole existence of civilisation as we know it using cheap music technology? That’s a very scary thought, and I would never have thought about that,will he go down as an Anti-Christ, or a Mahatma Gandhi?
In some peoples eyes he’s an evil sociopath, and in others he’s a very resourceful entrepreneur who’s spotted and filled a gap in the market, and he’s to be applauded.
Also, his net worth? he's positively on the breadline compared to other successful businessmen, of any significant worth.
I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?

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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby FrankF » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:46 pm

Arpangel wrote:I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?
:)

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:05 am

FrankF wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?
:)

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

That’s fine, but what are the best monitors for under three hundred quid.

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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby blinddrew » Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:31 am

Arpangel wrote:
FrankF wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I’ve got his monitors, and a compressor, am I beyond redemption?
:)

Not quite, but I do think that, for the good of your soul, you should give them back.

That’s fine, but what are the best monitors for under three hundred quid.

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