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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby zenguitar » Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:01 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:I owned a real one for a while. Got bored of its rather limited palette when other (modern) keyboards were able to emulate it so well... Sold for positively silly money!

To a German guy perhaps? ;)

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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:08 pm

TBH I've made a bit of a study of some of those old string synths, and I've got most of the ones I like nailed with my current synths. I also have a few of my old pedals, such as Small Stone and Phase 100 still around for those moments of weakness. Line 6 just added the Small Stone to the options in my Helix pedal - and it's close enough for rock'n'roll.

But having something cloned from the original electronics, just sitting there ready to go, is, I feel, going to be too irresistable for me - as long as the sound is there. Based on Behringer's fabulous job (sound-wise - the 3-octave keyboard still pains me) with the VC340 I see no reason that this one shouldn't hit the mark.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:46 pm

The Elf wrote:TBH I've made a bit of a study of some of those old string synths, and I've got most of the ones I like nailed with my current synths. I also have a few of my old pedals, such as Small Stone and Phase 100 still around for those moments of weakness. Line 6 just added the Small Stone to the options in my Helix pedal - and it's close enough for rock'n'roll.

But having something cloned from the original electronics, just sitting there ready to go, is, I feel, going to be too irresistable for me - as long as the sound is there. Based on Behringer's fabulous job (sound-wise - the 3-octave keyboard still pains me) with the VC340 I see no reason that this one shouldn't hit the mark.

Plus it has a built in small stone clone for JMJ type sounds, again I will say a 310U would be nice for real Jarre strings.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Eddy Deegan » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:15 pm

DGL. wrote:Plus it has a built in small stone clone for JMJ type sounds, again I will say a 310U would be nice for real Jarre strings.

If you want nice string sounds in something of yours then why go for something recognisably associated with someone else? Would it not be preferable to find (or more probably create) a patch you can consider more original?

Unless you're after covering/playing a Jarre track using as similar timbres as possible to the original, that is. In which context I can see the attraction of a string machine as used by the fellow himself!!
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:33 pm

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DGL. wrote:Plus it has a built in small stone clone for JMJ type sounds, again I will say a 310U would be nice for real Jarre strings.

If you want nice string sounds in something of yours then why go for something recognisably associated with someone else? Would it not be preferable to find (or more probably create) a patch you can consider more original?

Unless you're after covering/playing a Jarre track using as similar timbres as possible to the original, that is. In which context I can see the attraction of a string machine as used by the fellow himself!!

It's more that it supposedly sounds a lot better than the solina due to having more ensemble stages, the solina basically being a cut down relative in comparison, remembering that the solina was wholly an Eminent product (design and manufacture) with the ARP branding just being stuck on.

At the end of the day if you are going to clone a companies product you might as well clone the best they made.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Eddy Deegan » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:46 pm

DGL. wrote:
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DGL. wrote:Plus it has a built in small stone clone for JMJ type sounds, again I will say a 310U would be nice for real Jarre strings.

If you want nice string sounds in something of yours then why go for something recognisably associated with someone else? Would it not be preferable to find (or more probably create) a patch you can consider more original?

Unless you're after covering/playing a Jarre track using as similar timbres as possible to the original, that is. In which context I can see the attraction of a string machine as used by the fellow himself!!

It's more that it supposedly sounds a lot better than the solina due to having more ensemble stages, the solina basically being a cut down relative in comparison, remembering that the solina was wholly an Eminent product (design and manufacture) with the ARP branding just being stuck on.

At the end of the day if you are going to clone a companies product you might as well clone the best they made.

I don't disagree with you actually. It was more of a rhetorical question, but I see it was worded in a more direct manner than I intended :)

I'm fine with clones, but not at the expense of new, innovative, stuff. This is one of the things I really like about boards like the Summit, OB-6, Hydrasynth, Matrixbrute etc. They all sound epic in their own way and I wouldn't be surprised to see emulations and/or clones of them in a decade or three.

Sure it's nice to have the option; I've picked up a couple of clones and I'll probably pick up a couple more before I'm done but I can honestly say that my life isn't any better for having, say, the Pro-One or Model-D than it would have been had they used those as the basis for something very different but built on the foundations of those.

The OB-6 is a good example. It's got the Oberheim 'sound' but is based on the tech rather than trying to be an 'accurate recreation' of a specific model.

I think I'm getting slightly bored of clones now. I'm not even bothering to watch most of the teaser videos any more. It was fun while it lasted but I'm more excited about new, as yet unseen and unheard, devices going forward and so far I've been more impressed with the products from other manufacturers than Behringer when it comes to original hardware.

That's my subjective view of course, and I am excited to see what their poly-AT implementation is like and if it's on a CS-80-like thing I'll almost certainly buy one as it nicely fills a gap in my hardware lineup.

They have some extremely good engineers, it's obvious. I'd like to see those engineers given more scope to innovate as opposed to copy but of course as a company they can take whatever direction they choose. I'm just a body in a market, stating one man's view.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:20 pm

Not really interested in sounding like JMJ, myself, but we did use a lot of Siel Orchestra (essentially 90% an ARP Quartet) on our early albums, and it would be nice to have access to those searingly high strings again. The Siel hit that goldilocks place of 'not too chorussed, not too static'.

I actually bought an old Siel Orchestra a few months ago, but it had some serious faults, so I returned it. It was good to hear it again for a short time.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Martin Walker » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:23 pm

I had a Crumar Stringman decades ago. You rarely hear about this particular model nowadays for some reason, but I loved its sound (I remember writing a full-on Enid 'Region Of The Summer Stars orchestrated piece with it)

I bought it from a local classically taught musician who some years later was desperate to buy it back. I felt sorry for him, so off it went :(


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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby baward » Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 pm

Yes there are better, for instance the Korg Lambda but there are others, as far as physical instruments go.

I like UVI's String Machines. It gives an interesting insight into what's what, as do the Arturia Solina and GForce's VSM.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby baward » Fri May 01, 2020 8:49 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:
If you want nice string sounds in something of yours then why go for something recognisably associated with someone else?

I completely agree.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby resistorman » Fri May 01, 2020 9:08 pm

I find it hard to believe there’s a demand for a Solina clone. Of course, I can’t fathom a desire for monophonic synth clones either ;)
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Fri May 01, 2020 9:33 pm

Although I'm a customer for the Solina, I do share your disbelief that there's a huge market out there for it.

But classic monosynths?!?! Who *wouldn't* want a MiniMoog, Pro-One, or Odyssey clone? Those three alone must have 80% of planet's players covered!
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Fri May 01, 2020 9:41 pm

resistorman wrote:I find it hard to believe there’s a demand for a Solina clone. Of course, I can’t fathom a desire for monophonic synth clones either ;)

Well nobody (inc. Behringer themselves!) that a VP330 clone would sell all that much as was originally just a prototype for Uli himself but here we are and the VC340 has sold really well.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby resistorman » Sat May 02, 2020 4:25 am

Back in the day, I just wanted to play chords on a synth, and remember the day when I got my first polyphonic synth, a JX3p, and played my first synthesized chord. We loved the old monosynths because that’s what we could afford, and they undeniably had great sounds. But why settle for one voice when it’s so easy to have as many as you want? There’s no magic in a truncated polysynth like the Pro 1, it was all about cost, not artistic vision.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Rich Hanson » Sat May 02, 2020 6:58 am

A monosynth is a different beast to a polysynth though, it's not simply a cut down version. There are articulations that you can do with a monophonic voice that you can't with a polyphonic one (and vice versa, of course) and requires a different approach.

Obviously on most polys you can make a monophonic voice to cover those situations, but that's just a waste of a polysynth!
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