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USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby The Elf » Fri May 08, 2020 3:58 pm

Anyone aware of a source for USB-to-MIDI cable where the MIDI connectors are *sockets*?

It rather bemuses me that they seem to be all lumbered with plugs, which rather limits their reach, or involves the use of extension cables/back-to-back adaptors! It makes more sense to me to put a socket on there and allow the use of standard MIDI cables of any length. :headbang:

I used to have one, but... :? :?:
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby zenguitar » Fri May 08, 2020 4:33 pm

Can't think of USB to MIDI cable with trailing sockets. But I remembered seeing this a couple of days ago.

https://www.studiospares.com/Accessorie ... 401611.htm

Plug into the back and you can connect any lead you like to the front. But expensive and overkill for you, unless it would solve some other problem at the same time. So I thought, why not use a thru box?

https://kentonuk.com/product/thru-5/
https://www.soundtronics.co.uk/midi-thr ... itter.html

But again, you are paying for stuff you don't need.

So I remembered Dave being fond of putting a few bits in a tin.

A small box with a couple of pairs of MIDI sockets wired together. Cheap and cheerful.

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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby Eddy Deegan » Fri May 08, 2020 4:37 pm

You're right, it does sound like a sensible option but I had a quick look round and couldn't see one. I guess these days everyone's expecting the devices to be local enough to each other that you don't need the true MIDI cable at all :lolno:

That said, wouldn't it be relatively straightforward to make your own by buying a 'normal' one and replacing the male DINs with females?
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby The Elf » Fri May 08, 2020 4:38 pm

Yep, a couple of back-to-back sockets would be even simpler - and not require a PSU. I was just hoping to avoid them. :(
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby DGL. » Fri May 08, 2020 7:29 pm

Thomann sell many boxes with MIDI IO, the smallest (in size) being the miditech midiface ii thru, has MIDI in/out and as an extra thru. £24.90, or for £33 they have a 2x2 version. Two MIDI cables and USB lead included!
https://www.thomann.de/gb/miditech_midiface_ii_thru.htm

Otherwise standard cable with male plugs and a couple of female din sockets.
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby resistorman » Fri May 08, 2020 8:32 pm

I have a couple of extensions like this:

https://www.excelvalley.com/product/mid ... le-female/
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby innerchord » Fri May 08, 2020 11:20 pm

You're right, all those I've seen have MIDI plugs just too short! :x
As has been suggested, either re-wire an existing device with sockets (if you have the skills), or get a device with sockets, since there is lots of choice.

I would not use adapters or extension cables myself. :shocked:
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby resistorman » Sat May 09, 2020 1:17 am

I've been using extensions for the last year in my studio with no issues. I wouldn't want to walk on the connection, but what's your reasoning for not using them, innerchord? Also, mine might be old enough that they're actual DIN equipment extensions :wtf:

If I didn’t have them, I’d have just used a USB extension :lol:
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby innerchord » Sat May 09, 2020 3:07 am

resistorman wrote:I've been using extensions for the last year in my studio with no issues. I wouldn't want to walk on the connection, but what's your reasoning for not using them

Two simple issues; reliability and wiring. One more point of possible failure. I don't trust any MIDI cable I've not either tested or made myself. Many cables are incorrectly wired, and using two cables that are wired differently may well cause problems.
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby resistorman » Sat May 09, 2020 3:44 am

innerchord wrote:
resistorman wrote:I've been using extensions for the last year in my studio with no issues. I wouldn't want to walk on the connection, but what's your reasoning for not using them

Two simple issues; reliability and wiring. One more point of possible failure. I don't trust any MIDI cable I've not either tested or made myself. Many cables are incorrectly wired, and using two cables that are wired differently may well cause problems.

Well, that’s true of all cables, extensions or not. And I certainly whittle my possible points of failure down as far as possible in mission critical situations. And test thoroughly. And have backups ready. But sometimes it’s OK to use an extension cord and get on with making music.
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby The Elf » Sat May 09, 2020 7:40 am

I really want as few connections as possible - and no boxes or power supplies in the chain. I *could* solder new sockets on, but... The back-to-back DIN adapters are winning at the moment - the lesser of several evils. :thumbup:
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby The Elf » Sat May 09, 2020 8:49 am

Extensions are just as bad as fixed cables. The second you move one bit of gear you're going to find the extension doesn't *quite* reach. In contrast I have LOADS of 'normal' MIDI cables of all lengths.

I'm going to the back-to-back adapter route. It seems I was right - nobody does a USB/MIDI cable with sockets any more - that seems daft to me! :headbang:

Thanks for the help, guys! :clap: :thumbup:
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat May 09, 2020 10:24 am

You can get commercial 5-pin Din male to female leads very easily, which would serve as a far more elegant extension for your USB-Midi cable than a back-back adapter and an extra standard cable. Cheaper too...

For example (this one is 2.5metres and costs under £4):

https://www.amazon.co.uk/kenable-Female-Audio-Extension-Cable/dp/B005CR1M0I

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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby The Elf » Sat May 09, 2020 10:46 am

Yes, I realise I can get extensions, but to have to buy another EVERY time I need to stretch a bit further? I already have LOADS of MIDI cables - the back to back sockets make much more sense to me! :D
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Re: USB to MIDI in/out cable with *sockets*?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat May 09, 2020 11:47 am

Fair enough...

Personally, I'd make up some patch boxes with x number of MIDI sockets on, to place near each group of keyboards, and run a data multicore back to a patch pay or USB MIDI interface.
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