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Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 4:14 pm
by Eddy Deegan
The Elf wrote:I feel as if I'm just standing on the outside looking in. I don't get this machine, any more than I got the Mother-32...

They just don't seem 'musical' to me at all.

This obviously says more about me than the machines in question, because everyone else seems to be entranced by them - I'm clearly missing something, but I've no idea what! :headbang: :lol:

I don't think you're really missing anything in the big scheme of things, any more than I'm missing having a mellotron. It's all about the workflow and how you approach music making. After all, synths are effectively 'just' lovely tools and as such can be employed in different ways, many of which will apply more to some than others.

Much like a lot of Eurorack kit, the Subharmonicon is distinctly orientated towards a certain use case which is very at odds with a lot of 'conventional' music production workflows.

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:10 am
by Arpangel
Eddy Deegan wrote:Much like a lot of Eurorack kit, the Subharmonicon is distinctly orientated towards a certain use case which is very at odds with a lot of 'conventional' music production workflows.

I’d add the Theremin to that statement.... :)

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 9:07 pm
by Durr GaGa
What a great thread and I wish I'd seen it earlier! I have been waiting patiently (signing the petition and so on!) hoping for this day to arrive but as it is anything but a general use synthesiser, the UK cost currently puts it outside my reach as discussed on page 2 of this thread:- https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=72258&start=15

My interest is still piqued though and as well as Gordon Reid's excellent SOS review, Loopop has done his usual in depth YouTube review but for me, the best 'sonic' review has been by Gaz Williams here:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3P5uG87Nsc&t=410s

I so much want to pull the trigger on one of these to go with my Mother 32 and DFAM but........ just too much! :cry:

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:30 pm
by Durr GaGa
Well, I have to come clean and admit that the trigger has been pulled on a Subharmonicon - but not by me!! My lovely wife got so fed up with me moaning about the high price of the instrument that she just went ahead and bought me one for our 45th wedding anniversary. It took nearly a month to come back into stock but it only missed the great day by two days. :thumbup:

I am having such a great time experimenting with it :D

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Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:54 pm
by Martin Walker
Wow - you're a lucky guy Durr GaGa!

Hope you enjoy your Subharmonicon as much as you did your Wedding Anniversary!


Martin

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:27 pm
by Durr GaGa
Wow - you're a lucky guy Durr GaGa!

Thanks, Martin - indeed I am :bouncy: I think I'm going to keep her on for a bit longer ...... :lol:

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:01 pm
by Eddy Deegan
That is a very elegant looking rack :thumbup:

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:49 am
by Durr GaGa
Eddy Deegan wrote:That is a very elegant looking rack :thumbup:

Thanks - it is based around a Moog three tier stand with aluminium side strips added for the top two 60HP boxes. When I knew that the Subharmonicon was coming my way, I had a bit of a dilemma as I really wanted it to be part of the same rack but, although the current unit is actually extremely stable, I didn't want to go as high as an additional box. To avoid this, I built a small wooden plinth 45mm high for the existing rack to stand on so that the front of the bottom unit would be the same height as the rear of the new Subharmonicon. This makes it look and feel like a continuous console with only a minimal increase in overall height.

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:12 am
by Arpangel
Durr GaGa wrote:Well, I have to come clean and admit that the trigger has been pulled on a Subharmonicon - but not by me!! My lovely wife got so fed up with me moaning about the high price of the instrument that she just went ahead and bought me one for our 45th wedding anniversary. It took nearly a month to come back into stock but it only missed the great day by two days. :thumbup:

I am having such a great time experimenting with it :D

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God, that looks massive, like a proper synthesiser...

:D

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:26 pm
by Durr GaGa
Arpangel wrote:
God, that looks massive, like a proper synthesiser...

:D

All I need now is to learn how to play it ......... :lol:

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:20 pm
by Ian Shaw
Ooh! Jealous!
Been thinking of dipping my toe into the hardware pond for a while & the Moog Sub-thingy review has really got me thinking that might the place to start. Being brought up on synths with menus, presets & computer screens I'm kind of hankering after something that I can actually twiddle with.

I've rung round to get the best price on the 3 tier Moog setup with the DFAM & Mother. Either that or a Eurorack but I like the idea of the semi modular stating point & adding from there.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with the Sub

Happy twiddling

Ian

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:38 pm
by Durr GaGa
Ian Shaw wrote:Ooh! Jealous!
Been thinking of dipping my toe into the hardware pond for a while & the Moog Sub-thingy review has really got me thinking that might the place to start. Being brought up on synths with menus, presets & computer screens I'm kind of hankering after something that I can actually twiddle with.

I've rung round to get the best price on the 3 tier Moog setup with the DFAM & Mother. Either that or a Eurorack but I like the idea of the semi modular stating point & adding from there.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with the Sub

Happy twiddling

Ian

Hi Ian,

I'm hardly qualified to offer advice here but I started this wonderful journey with a Subsequent 37 with all its great presets and menus but I noted that several of the YouTube videos that I watched featuring the Subsequent 37 also had Mother 32s in the mix and I ended up buying one. That really got me excited about the whole analogue mono-synth concept and I just loved patching things into itself and into the modest Eurorack system that I added which started with an ADSR module and the 'Maths' module. To my embarrassment, I found myself turning to the modular setup rather than the excellent Subsequent 37 for my 'music fix' and soon added a DFAM.

I think the Subharmonicon is a very exciting instrument but also feel that one is likely to get the best out of it when paired with a Mother 32 and augmented with a DFAM so I can't help but comment that your current plan looks very good to me!

Good luck with the change in direction!

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:37 pm
by Ian Shaw
I like the slightly left-field nature of the Sub & the DFAM & think that their limitations are probably a good thing. If I went down the Eurorack route I'm not sure where it will end (apart from a very empty wallet) as there is so much stuff out there to choose from.

I'm more into triggering sounds & fiddling whilst recording the output for further editing later than playing a keyboard of regular synth sounds, so these modules seem like a good balance between regular synthesis & and total weirdness.

No one seems to have any in stock atm anyway, so I may have to wait before I get a chance to try them out

Ian

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:26 am
by Arpangel
I've got a Moog Grandmother as a potential controller for my modular, but I’m not sure about all this S Trig stuff, I’m torn between keeping my Moog away from my modular, or integrating it.

Re: Moog Subharmonicon

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:26 pm
by Ben Asaro
DurrGaga, like that rack setup a lot. I don't regret going 104hp, but it takes up a lot of space!

The Subharmonicon is on my short list for next year, should I actually work enough to warrant a tax return from 2020! :cry: