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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Folderol » Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:08 pm

Arpangel wrote:STOP PRESS!
Latest piano update, it’s arriving back at Arpangel Towers on the14th May, plus, we are just off to the workshop now, to try it out!

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..... and?
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:34 am

Folderol wrote:
Arpangel wrote:STOP PRESS!
Latest piano update, it’s arriving back at Arpangel Towers on the14th May, plus, we are just off to the workshop now, to try it out!

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
..... and?

Sounds OK, not far from what it sounded like before, that’s what we wanted.
More importantly, the action feels like new, very positive, a bit lighter.
And, it now looks great, he’s replaced some of the felts with Bluthner Blue, very cool.
I said to my partner on the way out to the car, I should be feeling a lot more excited about this than I really am, but it’s all a bit underwhelming, she agreed, I’d be doing cartwheels about this years ago.
He’s done a fantastic job, it sounds how we wanted, it’s all as expected,
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby The Red Bladder » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:49 am

At last, you are spending money on something worthwhile - and not on F'ing cars!

We did a piano recital for Russian television yesterday - I am editing the thing as we speak. The pianist was all gushing about our Joanna - got it serviced and tuned on Tuesday. Look after the things and they keep their value, both as instruments and financially.

Congrats on the Bluthner BTW. I shall come and inspect it one day soon!
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:40 am

The Red Bladder wrote:At last, you are spending money on something worthwhile - and not on F'ing cars!

We did a piano recital for Russian television yesterday - I am editing the thing as we speak. The pianist was all gushing about our Joanna - got it serviced and tuned on Tuesday. Look after the things and they keep their value, both as instruments and financially.

Congrats on the Bluthner BTW. I shall come and inspect it one day soon!

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Buying cars is remotely exciting, having instruments repaired is like calling a plumber, or a builder, essential, but boring.
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:30 pm

The quality of workmanship by the is guy is totally beyond, just been talking to him (and payed him! :( )
The attention to detail was amazing, he even "restored" the original hinges on the music stand, rebuilt them, and replaced the wrong screws in various places, the result of a previous bad job.
I’m sorry I was a bit underwhelmed, but it’s finally hit home now, what a revelation it’s going to be.
Looking forward to our first recording session.

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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby blinddrew » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:39 pm

That's the post I was hoping to see. :)

I was going to offer to look after it for you but I really don't have space! ;)
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Sat May 01, 2021 7:31 am

blinddrew wrote:That's the post I was hoping to see. :)

I was going to offer to look after it for you but I really don't have space! ;)

I quote "there are 4 tiny metal pins, to that part of the key action, I replaced all of them on every key"
He is a very special guy, one of a dying breed.
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby tea for two » Sat May 01, 2021 8:22 am

Arpangel wrote:I quote "there are 4 tiny metal pins, to that part of the key action, I replaced all of them on every key"
He is a very special guy, one of a dying breed.

For me he is an inward traveller.

I think sometimes people think a person has to be speaking in some esoteric way or wearing some rose beads crystals turban, burning incents, have various esoteric ornaments, quote esoteric sayings or similar to be inward traveller.

Whereas for me how a person approaches their craft their dedication to the slightest, their concern conscientiousness selflessness towards the work the craft they do is an indicator :

a software programmer, an audio engineer, a tech inventor, an architect, a road sweeper, a nurse, a window cleaner, a blacksmith, an artist, a doggie trainer, a bricklayer plasterer, an athlete, a baker, a photographer, a person helping others on a forum.
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Wed May 05, 2021 7:32 am

The chap who repaired my piano has no lofty ideas about his station in life, like all good technicians, craftsmen, engineers, he's happy being just what he is, he’s not got a chip on his shoulder about not being someone else, this was his calling, he loves repairing instruments, and allowing musicians to carry on playing, and him to make a living and to continue to enjoy doing what he does.
How many times have you been in studios and witnessed young engineers who want to be musicians, or producers, and aren’t happy in their role, the best engineers are the ones who want to be "engineers" and dedicate their life to that, this chap is exactly like those people.
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Sun May 16, 2021 8:55 am

Piano panic!
I thought uh-oh? the pitch of this piano is a bit strange, it seemed a tad sharp to me, I was playing along to a Steely Dan track, and couldn’t find the key, it seemed to waver somewhere between b and b flat, so I got an A440 tone going and it was spot on, the Dan track must have lost something in translation somewhere along the line.

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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby BigRedX » Sun May 16, 2021 12:25 pm

Analogue recordings were often sped up or slowed down to achieve the desired tempo at the mix down/mastering stage, with the equivalent change in pitch of the music.

Also in the days before the advent of the ubiquitous electronic tuner the tuning reference used in the studio could be whatever was convenient. Often the other instruments would be tuned to whichever instrument was most difficult to change the tuning of and there was no guarantee that it would be A=440.

My first band had two reed organs both of which were tuned differently and neither to A=440. We tuned to the one we used most often, but would retune to the other when we needed to use it because of the chords available or the sound.
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Mon May 17, 2021 7:24 am

BigRedX wrote:Analogue recordings were often sped up or slowed down to achieve the desired tempo at the mix down/mastering stage, with the equivalent change in pitch of the music.

Also in the days before the advent of the ubiquitous electronic tuner the tuning reference used in the studio could be whatever was convenient. Often the other instruments would be tuned to whichever instrument was most difficult to change the tuning of and there was no guarantee that it would be A=440.

My first band had two reed organs both of which were tuned differently and neither to A=440. We tuned to the one we used most often, but would retune to the other when we needed to use it because of the chords available or the sound.

Yes alarm over, I’ve got a lot of old classical recordings on vinyl, it’s interesting checking the keys of some of those.

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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Folderol » Mon May 17, 2021 9:14 am

Arpangel wrote:
BigRedX wrote:Analogue recordings were often sped up or slowed down to achieve the desired tempo at the mix down/mastering stage, with the equivalent change in pitch of the music.

Also in the days before the advent of the ubiquitous electronic tuner the tuning reference used in the studio could be whatever was convenient. Often the other instruments would be tuned to whichever instrument was most difficult to change the tuning of and there was no guarantee that it would be A=440.

My first band had two reed organs both of which were tuned differently and neither to A=440. We tuned to the one we used most often, but would retune to the other when we needed to use it because of the chords available or the sound.

Yes alarm over, I’ve got a lot of old classical recordings on vinyl, it’s interesting checking the keys of some of those.

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It's quite useful to have a record deck with speed control :)
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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby Arpangel » Mon May 17, 2021 9:28 am

Folderol wrote:
Arpangel wrote:
BigRedX wrote:Analogue recordings were often sped up or slowed down to achieve the desired tempo at the mix down/mastering stage, with the equivalent change in pitch of the music.

Also in the days before the advent of the ubiquitous electronic tuner the tuning reference used in the studio could be whatever was convenient. Often the other instruments would be tuned to whichever instrument was most difficult to change the tuning of and there was no guarantee that it would be A=440.

My first band had two reed organs both of which were tuned differently and neither to A=440. We tuned to the one we used most often, but would retune to the other when we needed to use it because of the chords available or the sound.

Yes alarm over, I’ve got a lot of old classical recordings on vinyl, it’s interesting checking the keys of some of those.

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It's quite useful to have a record deck with speed control :)

Thanks, you’ve just given me a great reason to buy a Technics.

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Re: Piano dilemma, repair or not to repair, that is the question.

Postby James Perrett » Mon May 17, 2021 2:54 pm

Arpangel wrote:
Folderol wrote:It's quite useful to have a record deck with speed control :)

Thanks, you’ve just given me a great reason to buy a Technics.

:D

Or a Garrard 301/401 (though they don't have as wide a speed range as the Technics). Of course, if you want the ultimate ins speed range then a Lenco would give you any speed between 30 and 86rpm.
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