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Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:07 pm
by James Perrett
One thought - does this bass have a stereo output (like Rickenbacker's used to)? I'm trying to work out why they would go to the expense of dual ganged pots. Could it be that one half of the circuit is connected to one pickup while the other half is connected to the other pickup? If so, does the tone control not work on both pickups?

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2018 11:19 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Yes, I wondered that too. It does appear to have a three-core output lead from the circuit board to the output socket.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:40 am
by Dr R
It is described as having stereo microphones on the web site. The output voltage at the socket is very high compared to my active bass, as well, so it may possibly drive headphones.
I'll ask, and do some more experiments.

Rich

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:56 am
by ef37a
Ah! "Headphones" that makes sense of the use of the LM386s.

And stereo, could be some weird phase anomaly going on?

Dave.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:30 am
by Hugh Robjohns
Reading around, it does appear that it is intended to drive stereo headphones directly, but can also be used like a conventional electric bass to feed an amp.

H

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:26 pm
by Dr R
Hi All,

Hugh is correct, the bass does indeed drive headphones directly - and really very loudly as well!
The two pickups are wired in stereo, left and right. There is no discernible stereo effect on headphones, it's not as if one pickup is closer to the E and one to the G and there is a spread across the image. However shorting one pickup clearly removes the signal from one channel. (I'll post a photograph of the very Heath-Robinson "test environment" later on :D )
Testing the pots more comprehensively:

A - Volume
  • R15= 1.004K
  • R13= 1.004k/5.9ohm
  • R35= 5.9ohm/1.004K
  • R26=0.950K
  • R24=0.950K/5.5ohm
  • R46=5.5ohm/0.950K
all makes sense, operating as pair of potentiometers with 3, 4 as the wipers.

B- Tone
  • R15=5.6ohm/1.056K
  • R13=3.3ohm
  • R35=5.5ohm/1.053K
  • R26=5.6/1.056K
  • R24=3.3ohm
  • R46=5.5/1.052K
makes sense with 1+3 / 2+4 connected together, and then operating just as a variable resistor to change the tone.

So perhaps it's not the pot that is knackered after all? What's next to look at?

As ever - huge thanks to everyone.

Rich

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:18 am
by Dr R
Photograph of "Test rig" to confirm stereo wiring from pickups to output:

Image
Maintaining a steady two-finger plucking technique while shorting one pickup with the needle-nosed pliers was hard ;)

The pickups in the Aria are, I think, in the tube that forms the bridge.
Image
As you can see, it's a lot lighter than a typical bass.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:36 pm
by Folderol
ef37a wrote:Ah! "Headphones" that makes sense of the use of the LM386s.

And stereo, could be some weird phase anomaly going on?

Dave.

Ding!

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 am
by Dr R
Thanks Folderol - I take it that's a lightbulb moment?

I'm don't understand how a phase anomaly would prevent the tone control from affecting the sound, though I can see how it might remove some of the bass frequency, which is also part of the problem.

More confused than ever :?

Rich

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:49 am
by ef37a
Dr R wrote:Thanks Folderol - I take it that's a lightbulb moment?

I'm don't understand how a phase anomaly would prevent the tone control from affecting the sound, though I can see how it might remove some of the bass frequency, which is also part of the problem.

More confused than ever :?

Rich

It is often the case Rich that even quite simple electronic systems display faults that seem to make no sense and a purely logical examination of the circuit (which we have not got!) throws very little light.

Once the fault has been found however it becomes blindingly obvious that "THAT" was why it went T's U! (I call it the "Rumsfeld effect")

Dave.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:49 pm
by Dr R
Thanks Dave,
Most software faults follow the same arc. The difference is I sort of know what I am doing there ;)
So what should I look for next?

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:59 pm
by Folderol
Dr R wrote:Thanks Folderol - I take it that's a lightbulb moment?

I'm don't understand how a phase anomaly would prevent the tone control from affecting the sound, though I can see how it might remove some of the bass frequency, which is also part of the problem.

More confused than ever :?

Rich

It completely explains the (otherwise incomprehensible) chip choice, and I'd be very interested to know what exactly they are doing to get a supposed 'stereo' effect. Oh, and poor LF response could be simply down to caps drying out.

I'm a bit suspicious of the tone control doing nothing at all. A simple fault would suggest only one side being affected. Also, no stereo effect at all sounds a bit strange. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out to be something daft like a hairline fracture in a ground track.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:03 pm
by ef37a
Dr R wrote:Thanks Dave,
Most software faults follow the same arc. The difference is I sort of know what I am doing there ;)
So what should I look for next?

Folderol's postal address and bubble wrap?

Dave.

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:54 pm
by Martin Walker
ef37a wrote:
Dr R wrote:So what should I look for next?

Folderol's postal address and bubble wrap?

:clap: :bouncy:

Re: Aria Sinsonido preamp repair

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:10 am
by Dr R
Martin Walker wrote:
ef37a wrote:
Dr R wrote:So what should I look for next?
Folderol's postal address and bubble wrap?
:clap: :bouncy:

Well that's no pressure on the good gentleman then!