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Re: Box room problem or benefit?

Postby Gmonics22 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:20 pm

CS70 wrote:I can't really see the orientation of the monitors, but reflections from the hardwood desk can bounce back directly to your ears - if you orient them slightly upwards it can help - and/or moving them forward on the desk.

You may find that in that position you need to position (or better, add to) the cloud a bit behind your seat to keep on absorbing the high frequencies before the hit the ceiling.

Also I am not sure if the whey protein bins are empty or full :-) - fill'em with sand if they aren't.

Putting a fluffy carpet under the desk and your chair can also help a little - while a carpet is usually too thin to do much for anything that very high frequencies, in conjunction with the ceiling absorbers can further limit echos.

That window on the back is not that good - it will reflect some energy directly onto you. A bit counter-intuitively, larger monitors would help as their mount tend to have a bit of play so they dissipate high freq which hits the back a bit in my experience (I got better sound when I switched from one to two 27 inches monitors :) ). Ideally, you would want to cover it with an absorber

Desk is 18" from the front wall, and 4ft x 2.5ft. This puts the speakers 4ft apart, and 4ft from my mixing spot. Said mixing spot is 3/8ths into the room. Have tried various configurations and this seems to be the best. Protein containers (must remove those labels!) are filled with sand so well damped, they are the perfect fit for the monitor bases and put them level with my ears too. I've thought of stands, but this would mean either putting them further back or wider, which would mess up my triangle or put my mixing position 1/4 or 1/2 into the room, which has proven worse.

Ceiling light is bang in the middle, which precludes extending the cloud further back.

Re the window, agree this is probably anothet issue, I'm planning on filling it with some less dense insulation which I have freely available.

This is all on the tightest budget as I've not long bought the house and am pretty stretched, so new monitors are out od the question right now... plus I'm on the party wall so not sure it would be a great idea so wind up the new neighbours just yet!

All your help is really appreciated. It does feel like I'm getting somewhere. Hopefully have it done and looking a bit more proper soon.

Thanks folks :)
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Re: Box room problem or benefit?

Postby Wonks » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:39 pm

You could build a cloud with lights in it (often done) or one with a hole in it to dangle a light flex through (if that doesn't make the light too low).
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Re: Box room problem or benefit?

Postby CS70 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:54 pm

Gmonics22 wrote: I've thought of stands, but this would mean either putting them further back or wider, which would mess up my triangle or put my mixing position 1/4 or 1/2 into the room, which has proven worse.

For mixing, dry is far more important than the triangle.. it matters little that your head is at the triangle apex, if where you ears are the reflections are mangling the sound coming out of the speakers.

A desk's surface is very near to the sound source and usually very reflective, so the directional frequencies which hit it and bounce on it will still have lots of power when they reach - slightly delayed - you ears.. a perfect recipe for comb filtering.

Down from the desks, with the tweeters at ear height, there should be enough space to fit a computer keyboard. You don't need to move the monitors: in your case, you can simply keep the monitors where they are in the 3d space and slide the desk a bit forward. Yes you'll waste some space in the back (perfect location to host your cabling tough) but you could further improve your mixing sphere. Worth a try.
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Re: Box room problem or benefit?

Postby Gmonics22 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:00 pm

I'm not sure I understand what you mean about moving the desk? If I move it forward or back, I'll be sitting in areas where the room's response is much more uneven. I spent several evenings trying with different placements for the desk and the speakers (all over the place, and then literally shuffling a few inches at a time until it sounded ok) and going a foot closer to the front wall makes the resonance even worse, moving back puts me in the null in the middle of the room.

Also, regardless of positioning, any closer to the speakers and that resonance ramps up hugely. I'm really open to suggestions so thanks for tour thoughts, if I've misunderstood happy to be corrected!

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Re: Box room problem or benefit?

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:27 pm

Gmonics22 wrote:Ceiling light is bang in the middle, which precludes extending the cloud further back.

I had the same problem in my small studio, so I simply attached a longer mains flex from light pendant to a point further forward on the ceiling, and then installed a new light fitting there.

The ceiling cloud hides both the light pendant and the cable extension, so all you see is the new light fitting placed further forward :thumbup:


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