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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby mellowsouls » Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:48 am

That eBay fella does 100mm;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283656262448

I’ve not got to pricing these yet, so how does £55 per panel compare with building your own?
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Music Wolf » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:13 pm

mellowsouls wrote:That eBay fella does 100mm;

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283656262448

I’ve not got to pricing these yet, so how does £55 per panel compare with building your own?

Rockwool RW3 is about £8 per sheet at 100mm (sold in packs of 4), Cara fabric is about the same per panel (£14 per meter / 1.7m wide min order 5m). Then you have to consider wood, delivery of materials etc. So I'd say that £55 is competitively priced.

You can save a lot by going down the DIY route but it depends upon your skills and patience. It;s not difficult to make panels (even I can do it) but it's not for everyone.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Timber and screws about £8 so material costs are about £30. In which case £55 a panel looks very reasonable. His 50mm panels look equally good value. I'm not sure what fabric he's using though as I'm still waiting for a reply to my query.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Blott » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:20 pm

Well after much deliberation I've gone the DIY route for the panels.

I had a joiner I know make the frames to the sizes I wanted for a small fee and I purchased the rest of the materials and fitted them to the frames myself (with help from the wife). :)

The cost was as follows...

8 frames £120

Two packs 100mm Acoustic Rockwool £78

6m x 1.7m Carra Fabric £90

Staple Gun £17,

Upholstery lining material (for back of panels) £9.20 - Total cost £314.20 (£39 each)

Took us about 4 hours to make all 8 panels up, so I suppose if you factored that in too I haven't really saved a great deal.

However I do have 8 panels with 4 made to my size requirements rather than just trying to shoe horn in standard sized panels.

I've two (nearly floor to ceiling) corner bass traps measuring H2000mm x W400mm x D120mm.

4 panels 1200mm x 600mm x 100mm - two will be placed on each side wall at the early reflection points, 1 will be placed on the back wall and the other will be used as a cloud.

2 small panels measuring 800mm x 400mm x 100mm will be on the opposite wall at the office end of the room.

This should hopefully give a marked improvement to the sound than an untreated room.

I'd ideally have gone for larger bass traps but my studio room is only 9 feet wide and any larger would have taken up room I simply do not have.

To be honest I had to force myself to go for 100mm rock wool for the early reflection panels too - the 50mm depth really would have been a better fit, but I think I can just get them in.

I always said this would be an imperfect build remember! :)

Hopefully I'll get the panels erected over the next couple of days, then I'll move my gear in and do a proper reveal of the finished build. :)
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:37 pm

Sounds like a good halfway house on the construction.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:04 pm

I'm sure you will see a dramatic improvement in the sound of the room, those first panels make the biggest difference. Where did you get your RW3 from? The ebay guy hasn't got back to me so I'll probably end up DIYing again myself, another few panels chasing the diminishing returns a little further down the road to perfection...
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Blott » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:06 pm

Fitted 4 of the panels since my last post and TBH I might be the first person ever to remove acoustic treatments from a studio... not because I don't want them, but because It just makes things too tight on space.

The walls that the early reflection panels are on are also were I'll be placing my hardware synths and at the moment it's looking like they'll be too obtrusive to be able fit my synths in - grr!!

We'll see, but it's looking doubtful. :(

Bass traps and cloud look okay though! :)

This would have been MUCH easier if I didn't have to give half of the studio up to office duties, but cest la vie.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:19 pm

Can you get them higher, even up to the ceiling above the side mirror points? Not ideal but they'll still make a useful difference, and stick an extra one on the ceiling, I have four on my ceiling in a 13' square room and am about to add three more (2 off 1200 x 600 mm and two off 600 x 600 mm) plus another one of each on the walls behind the drum kit.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:20 pm

Ceiling corners might be worth looking at as well?
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Blott » Mon Nov 16, 2020 7:55 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:I'm sure you will see a dramatic improvement in the sound of the room, those first panels make the biggest difference. Where did you get your RW3 from? The ebay guy hasn't got back to me so I'll probably end up DIYing again myself, another few panels chasing the diminishing returns a little further down the road to perfection...

I might have some panels for sale soon! lol

I got my Rock wool from Wickes they had a £10 discount offer on the 1200 x 600 size, but that appears to have ended now.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Blott » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:14 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Can you get them higher, even up to the ceiling above the side mirror points? Not ideal but they'll still make a useful difference, and stick an extra one on the ceiling, I have four on my ceiling in a 13' square room and am about to add three more (2 off 1200 x 600 mm and two off 600 x 600 mm) plus another one of each on the walls behind the drum kit.

I could move them up a few inches higher perhaps, but I did the mirror trick and they are placed to reflect that (if you'll excuse the pun). :)

blinddrew wrote:Ceiling corners might be worth looking at as well?

Definitely and hopefully at some point in the near future I will, but for now they'll have to wait.

For anyone interested, a photo of the part of the room that has been treated can be viewed by clicking this link...https://photos.app.goo.gl/8XvSDGdrkGCBgZun6
It's a bit dark but should do the trick, I'll take a better one later. :)
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby blinddrew » Mon Nov 16, 2020 8:22 pm

Well it certainly looks promising, you sure you can't work around them?
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:20 am

Yes, work around them if you can, and have a proper listen to how the room sounds before you remove them.

FWIW if you really do need a little extra space I\d make a couple of thinner panels for the mirror points and use the 100mm ones in the ceiling corners or elsewhere where they don't eat into the usable space.
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Blott » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:54 pm

Good news, I think I can work around them, so they'll be staying.:)
I've stolen a few feet of my 'office space' to help things fit a little easier, the sofa has gone and the desk has changed orientation.

Every cloud has a silver lining though and it's always been important that my synths are in arms reach as if I can't reach something easily I don't use it - no matter how great it may be.
My studio space being a little narrower because of the treatments means I can now play 5 different synths without even leaving my seat which is great. :)

The off camera 'office' side of the studio is a total mess at the moment, so no full room shots yet, but here's another (hopefully clearer) shot of the studio layout with all my synths in situ...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/P4BhADxZkAkeoV5f8

The bass traps will be raised to be at the top of the wall (where it joins the ceiling) and the few inches of space that creates at floor level will allow me to better position the speaker stands which are just a little incorrectly placed at the moment.

This was always going to be an 'imperfect' build, but there's a lot more right than wrong about it now.

I will undoubtedly make some improvements and tweaks down the line, but it's come a long way from the dilapidated greenhouse that it once was and I can't wait to get everything wired up and actually start making music in it! :D
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Re: New (imperfect) Garden Studio Build

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:46 pm

Looking good and I'm sure you'll be happy with the decision.

BTW I same you have to stand to play the other two synths? how about a higher chair so you can play all seven from it?
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