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Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:01 pm
by gene098
Hey guys,

1) I would like to ask in your opinion what kind of ways do you guys think
Can help to improve ones musical “arsenal” to help with improvising, and composing(With the piano)

So far Im taking a online course for composing fundamentals from Scoreclub
But the course isn’t well explained at many points and when asking the teacher he responds once every 2 months.
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2) Also do you guys have any tips for how to learn sheet music on the piano with more speed and efficiency?

Im learning them mostly to build for muscle memory and get more chord shapes and ideas into my arsenal

But so far its going decently slow.

I go through the sheet music 1measure at a time(One whole horizontal line from left to the right of the page) and I write out all the notes like so

then i practice the left and right hand separately under a comfortable tempo, combine them under same tempo, then increase tempo overall

Heres what I mean

https://gm1.ggpht.com/FipI7JgmDr61F4ZRz ... 942-l75-ft

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:54 pm
by den83
gene098 wrote:Hey guys,

1) I would like to ask in your opinion what kind of ways do you guys think
Can help to improve ones musical “arsenal” to help with improvising, and composing(With the piano)

So far Im taking a online course for composing fundamentals from Scoreclub
But the course isn’t well explained at many points and when asking the teacher he responds once every 2 months.

In which case I would stop doing it immediately! That sounds rubbish!

There are no short cuts. I reckon the only way to get a through, top-notch understanding of all fundamental musical skills - and to develop the 'arsenal' you allude to above - is to study at either at a conservatoire (RNCM / RAM / RCM if based in the UK for example) or a university with respected music dept. (Durham / Birmingham / Nottingham for example).

I would urge you to aim high as there are so many crap options as regards music courses/study.

IMO of course. I'm sure many will disagree.

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:50 pm
by petev3.1
I would have thought a decent teacher would be useful. Learning online is effective sometimes but no substitute for sitting and chatting with a teacher who knows you as a individual. There's no secret to it, just the work that has to be done.

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:41 pm
by Guest271017
petev3.1 wrote:I would have thought a decent teacher would be useful. Learning online is effective sometimes but no substitute for sitting and chatting with a teacher who knows you as a individual. There's no secret to it, just the work that has to be done.

Taking beginners lessons to learn basic theory is good, I wish they'd teach it in elementary school as a required course. Once you understand rhythm and know the different scales and modes, and understand intervals and chords, unless you have a great player for a teacher who can teach the styles you want to play, money and talent are being wasted.

There are endless online resources that will teach you any style you like instead of just what a teacher knows. Best thing you can do is teach yourself how to learn. You can rewind a youtube 10,000 times at any hour of the day or night and no one will complain. Call your teacher at 2AM and see what happens. Like anything in life, things get easier the more you do them, but are impossible if you don't make the initial effort.

Pick a song that today you'd say you'd never be able to play it. Find a How To Play ... vid on youtube and take it measure by measure if needed. Don't give up. Everytime you pick up the instrument, don't jam. Practice the parts you've learned or take on the next part. Might take you a month, but at the end you'll have learned a song you never thought you could, you'll have taught yourself how to learn via the method making the next easier and your thirst for more will higher than you can remember. Problem most people have is sticking with. They get discouraged when things aren't easy. They forget/ don't realize the guy who can play it probably struggled more than them in the learning. They had to work just as hard, the only difference is they stuck to it.

Best thing you can do is teach yourself how to self educate.

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:58 am
by petev3.1
I'm all for self-education but it can waste of a lot of time, and even with a teacher it's necessary to self-educate. The difficulty is finding someone who teaches theory well, and this is not so easy.

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:43 pm
by den83
mashedmitten wrote:Best thing you can do is teach yourself how to self educate.

I like reading your posts MM. You have an opinion and expertise that seemingly covers a vast array of subjects. However, this statement did perplex me somewhat.

If you have to teach yourself how to self educate, that would imply you cannot self educate. In which case, one wonders how one can teach oneself to do that when one lacks the self education skills required to do that. If one did have the skills, one would not be learning how to self educate would one?

Could you clarify?

Many thanks.

Re: Guidance for Building Composing & Piano Foundations

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:30 pm
by SammyMixer
To improve one's arsenal when composing on the piano, I would recommend listening to as many different types of music as possible.

This opens up progression avenues and possibilities by hearing them in different contexts of music. Finding artists you like in a particular genre helps a lot! Hearing how they play with the combination of chords and timings will give you much inspiration to go off when sitting down to compose! :)