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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sat May 19, 2018 10:28 am

Just came across another Collier video and the guy is definitely a live wire when it comes to jazz music theory. Boy can he talk about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnBr070vcNE
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby job » Sun May 20, 2018 12:26 pm

I think of jazz musicians as those musicians that kind of know and understand so much of the theory that they've somewhat got bored of that which isn't jazz. Other forms are almost doggeral to them. Like a chord progression in a major scale is hardly worthy of attention, but modulating their way around the circle of fifths during an improv whilst the band plays polyrhythms... now that's cool! And it's cool, inspiring, noteworthy and interesting because it's difficult and technical. Is this correct?

I don't really like jazz, but i've mostly assumed that's because i lack the understanding to appreciate it.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:54 pm

job wrote:I don't really like jazz, but i've mostly assumed that's because i lack the understanding to appreciate it.

...yeah, I feel the same way about difficult jazz. Something like this Miles Davis excerpt means nothing to me unfortunately.

https://youtu.be/S6eZHnIA__A?t=1698
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby 2046 » Sun May 20, 2018 10:31 pm

I guess these books might help you a bit..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07935 ... UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08763 ... UTF8&psc=1

if you know elementary chords already.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby baward » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:54 pm

As much as I admire the incredible skills of Mr Collier, I can’t say I particularly enjoy his music. It’s not envy, as I think he must have more talent in his little fingernail than I have in my whole body, but he just doesn’t get to me emotionally. Mind you, in 40 years time, I’m sure he will permanently be sitting at the top table.

If he’s good enough to impress Herbie, Q, Metheny et al, it’s probably me! :bouncy:
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:52 pm

ReadySaltedChris wrote:You are not Jacob's mum per chance are you?

I remembered this quote when I read the blurb at the top of this month's article. :D
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby Julian Walker » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:13 am

Sam Spoons wrote:
marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

People have been making wonderful music that touches the soul for hundreds of years, many have never heard of 'music theory'. Outside of Churches and 'classical' music, music is an oral tradition. People learned by listening and singing/playing trying to emulate the sounds they were moved by. That is the fundamental element for all good musicians regardless of genre or training. They all learned from what went before and, if they had the talent, took it somewhere else.

Many of the best, most original, innovative musicians in the World have no knowledge of music theory and many others have come to that knowledge after the fact. I suspect the number that have become brilliant musos purely because they learned music theory is vanishingly small. JC would still have that talent if he didn't even know the names of the notes let alone the theory of harmony. Either way he has undoubtedly spent a lot of time and effort listening to others and absorbing what they do before.

marumbra wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3UDcY4hi4


I quite liked the first clip but there's nothing particularly innovative in that last one. sorry, it's just a bit bland. This is much nicer to my ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2OKoLpNBM

+1 for Surfs Up. Till I Die also taught me more about harmony than any record I heard before
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby baward » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:57 am

marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

Listening? :)

There’s an interesting video that someone did on Jacob’s use of microtonality, pitch and temperament: https://youtu.be/NHC2XNGerW4
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