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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby marumbra » Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:27 am

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Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Yep, more like har-money judging by all the swag he has at his disposal, he's good self publicist has to be granted that, but I don't hear anything that could be described as harmonically compelling.

If you want to learn harmony read the book "Harmony" by Walter Piston, that'll boil your brain!

What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3UDcY4hi4
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby Guest » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:35 am

marumbra wrote:I just feel like he is on a completely different level than most musicians, is that not true?

Don't be silly.

You are not Jacob's mum per chance are you?
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:55 am

Lol. He's just a jazzer is all, they love those chords with lots of wrong notes.

marumbra wrote:What about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3UDcY4hi4

Yeah, nicely done!

Like joeyondakeys says, it depends where you're starting from; what's your main instrument, and what music theory do you already know...? There's no shortage of YouTube tutorials on anything from an introduction to chords, scales, modes on guitar, up to jazz piano masterclasses with Herbie Hancock.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby leonhuene » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:03 pm

To me Jacob Collier is probably the only one who gets me excited about learning theory...that's my current issue. Whenever I try to learn it I fall asleep unless Jacob's talking about it. Not only is his enthusiasm infectious but his ideas on how to teach / learn + learning harmony "emotionally" and feeling-wise. Listening to how a chord "feels" to you. I like what seems like emotional control over his music and wish I had the same control but the material out there is SO dry it's unbelievable.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:29 pm

marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

People have been making wonderful music that touches the soul for hundreds of years, many have never heard of 'music theory'. Outside of Churches and 'classical' music, music is an oral tradition. People learned by listening and singing/playing trying to emulate the sounds they were moved by. That is the fundamental element for all good musicians regardless of genre or training. They all learned from what went before and, if they had the talent, took it somewhere else.

Many of the best, most original, innovative musicians in the World have no knowledge of music theory and many others have come to that knowledge after the fact. I suspect the number that have become brilliant musos purely because they learned music theory is vanishingly small. JC would still have that talent if he didn't even know the names of the notes let alone the theory of harmony. Either way he has undoubtedly spent a lot of time and effort listening to others and absorbing what they do before.

marumbra wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3UDcY4hi4


I quite liked the first clip but there's nothing particularly innovative in that last one. sorry, it's just a bit bland. This is much nicer to my ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2OKoLpNBM
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sat May 19, 2018 10:28 am

Just came across another Collier video and the guy is definitely a live wire when it comes to jazz music theory. Boy can he talk about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnBr070vcNE
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby job » Sun May 20, 2018 12:26 pm

I think of jazz musicians as those musicians that kind of know and understand so much of the theory that they've somewhat got bored of that which isn't jazz. Other forms are almost doggeral to them. Like a chord progression in a major scale is hardly worthy of attention, but modulating their way around the circle of fifths during an improv whilst the band plays polyrhythms... now that's cool! And it's cool, inspiring, noteworthy and interesting because it's difficult and technical. Is this correct?

I don't really like jazz, but i've mostly assumed that's because i lack the understanding to appreciate it.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sun May 20, 2018 9:54 pm

job wrote:I don't really like jazz, but i've mostly assumed that's because i lack the understanding to appreciate it.

...yeah, I feel the same way about difficult jazz. Something like this Miles Davis excerpt means nothing to me unfortunately.

https://youtu.be/S6eZHnIA__A?t=1698
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby 2046 » Sun May 20, 2018 10:31 pm

I guess these books might help you a bit..
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/07935 ... UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08763 ... UTF8&psc=1

if you know elementary chords already.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby baward » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:54 pm

As much as I admire the incredible skills of Mr Collier, I can’t say I particularly enjoy his music. It’s not envy, as I think he must have more talent in his little fingernail than I have in my whole body, but he just doesn’t get to me emotionally. Mind you, in 40 years time, I’m sure he will permanently be sitting at the top table.

If he’s good enough to impress Herbie, Q, Metheny et al, it’s probably me! :bouncy:
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby BJG145 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:52 pm

ReadySaltedChris wrote:You are not Jacob's mum per chance are you?

I remembered this quote when I read the blurb at the top of this month's article. :D
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby Julian Walker » Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:13 am

Sam Spoons wrote:
marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

People have been making wonderful music that touches the soul for hundreds of years, many have never heard of 'music theory'. Outside of Churches and 'classical' music, music is an oral tradition. People learned by listening and singing/playing trying to emulate the sounds they were moved by. That is the fundamental element for all good musicians regardless of genre or training. They all learned from what went before and, if they had the talent, took it somewhere else.

Many of the best, most original, innovative musicians in the World have no knowledge of music theory and many others have come to that knowledge after the fact. I suspect the number that have become brilliant musos purely because they learned music theory is vanishingly small. JC would still have that talent if he didn't even know the names of the notes let alone the theory of harmony. Either way he has undoubtedly spent a lot of time and effort listening to others and absorbing what they do before.

marumbra wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI3UDcY4hi4


I quite liked the first clip but there's nothing particularly innovative in that last one. sorry, it's just a bit bland. This is much nicer to my ears https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2OKoLpNBM

+1 for Surfs Up. Till I Die also taught me more about harmony than any record I heard before
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby baward » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:57 am

marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

Listening? :)

There’s an interesting video that someone did on Jacob’s use of microtonality, pitch and temperament: https://youtu.be/NHC2XNGerW4
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby tea for two » Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:45 am

marumbra wrote:
Sam Spoons wrote:I doubt that music theory is the key to his talent......

Then what is?

It is that he is meant to be, you we i are not.

As soon as we are content with this
we can pursue becoming you we i are meant to be
: even if it is nothing that you we i are meant to be theres is much peace in feeling this.
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Re: Jacob Collier

Postby Forum Admin » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:07 am

Since this topic began, SOS has published an interview with Jacob, which you can find on our site here:

https://www.soundonsound.com/people/jacob-collier
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