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Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:47 pm
by MOF
Here for example I tried to imitate the clarinet, but unfortunately the result is not realistic :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0bb59ss_pw

That's why I'm looking for real musicians who can interpret my music.
In its current form it sounds like the ‘composer’ has got ADHD, maybe if it was slowed down a bit it might improve but it still sounds like computer generated music, going off in all directions, never seeming to settle down into an obvious melody.

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:08 pm
by Rich Hanson
Speaking as a clarinet player, that sounds so obviously like a clarinet sample and used by someone that hasn't tried to vary the sound in the manner in which a live player would. The vibrato on the longer notes is horrible too, so obviously from a LFO.

I don't know what sample library was used here, but there are libraries that can produce much more lifelike results, but even these require effort on behalf of the user. You can't just bang in the notes, you have to understand how they might be played.

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:36 am
by music-engine
I totally agree.
And that's why I made an example of how I couldn't imitate real sounds.
After all, my intention is not to do this because I work mainly on the search for harmonic structures and which scales can be used, then obviously the search for algorithms that can express melodies that make sense at the level of perception.

I would love to make real musicians play these pieces, even if when composing something I don't take into account the technique of the instrument and this is a problem.

For example I think that this piece cannot be played by a real clarinet because there is not enough time to breathe between one note sequence and another.

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:51 pm
by MOF
For example I think that this piece cannot be played by a real clarinet because there is not enough time to breathe between one note sequence and another
I wondered about that but I think you’re just OK in that regard.
I still can’t latch on to an obvious melody though.

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 am
by music-engine
The music in question is a transposition of a very particular jazz standard where the theme is in fact very articulated. But even the solo is not very human, and maybe impossible to really play.

There have been other music where I have tried to develop a melodic theme. For example this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADOtXKnFDck

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:12 pm
by Ben Asaro
I am thoroughly enjoying seeing where this leads.

Re: Automatic music : is it possible ?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:01 pm
by Romy Schmidt
I've listened to the automated music compositions. You have certainly made an achievement, but what is lacking is human influence. There are rules in music theory, especially harmony, but experienced composers break them all the time.

I don't think you can catch the human touch in mathematics. Also, your automated music sounds fragmented, like a series of small parts joined together. The modulations are correct in themselves, but rather limited. For instance, modulation is also possible by using the time factor. You don't need a full cadenza, but you do need good hearing. You need to be able to hear when the new key sounds dominant. Mathematics won't help you there.

But, again, quit an achievement. You should be proud of yourself.