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Postby dennisgamalej » Sat May 12, 2018 12:42 pm

hello i have to do sound for a band. I have a proel flash 2x 12a and 1x proel flash 15sa. Can i do with that foh sound for a band (2 electr. guit,1 bass, 1 trumpet, 3 singers, 1 drums). Its a concert for about 60 people. Tnx. With greets,
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby blinddrew » Sat May 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Assuming that the guitar amps and bass amp will be providing most of their signal then that should be plenty. What do you have for foldback / monitoring?
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Sat May 12, 2018 3:23 pm

as monitor i have my eurolite monitor and the band will bring some monitors. Do i will get natural sound or messy afwull sound?
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby blinddrew » Sat May 12, 2018 3:55 pm

That will depend on how you set things up, but with that set up you should be able to get a decent sound in a venue for 60 people fairly easily, just remember that if in doubt, turn everything down and prioritise the lead vocal. :)
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun May 13, 2018 7:59 am

I would only put the singers and trumpet through the PA (and, maybe not the trumpet) unless the electric guitars and bass don't have amplifiers. You don't mention what you will be using to mix the mics or, indeed, what mics you have, that might be useful to know, as would the genre.

Your biggest potential problem in a small room (I'm assuming your audience of 60 is not going to be rattling around in a warehouse) is going to be the drums. Drums are loud, drummers who can play well quietly are quite rare. You will probably need to damp the drums and cymbals may need to and insist the drummer uses rods or brushes.

WRT the mix, balance everything else to the vocals as Drew says, and if they are't loud enough turn everything else down. Also your ProL speakers probably won't sound great at max level (which you shouldn't need BTW in your room) so, again turn down if it starts to sound bad.

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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby timssinned » Sat May 19, 2018 9:21 am

each speaker has 250 w. i hope it will sound clear. i have one more question. How loud i have to set the speaker volume and how i have to setup the speaker eq? or i dont have to touch the speaker eq? pls help me thnx!
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun May 20, 2018 9:33 am

Without more detail of the rest of your rig (mixer and mics), how you connect it up and what you intend to mic up through the PA it's hard to give good advice. Howovever, how you should set the gain on the speakers depends partly on the mixer but set the mixer gain structure first and then adjust the speaker gain upwards from -∞ until it's loud enough in the room. Speaker eq also depends on the mixer and the room, start with it flat then try altering it and choose the best sounding setting.

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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:56 pm

hey!!! thnx for reactions! i have a question i will have a small gig outside band(drums 2x guitar and 4 vocals). My speakers has each 50w rms will it be enough? thnx
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:00 am

You mentioned the speakers being 250 watts in an earlier post? 50 watts is not enough if you want to mic drums and guitars but should cope with vocals only if the backline/drums are not too loud and the area/audience you need to cover is small.
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Wonks » Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:13 am

The Proel 12A is 250W+50W RMS speaker, with a max SPL of 124dB. It would be nice to have more powerful speakers so you don't have to push them quite so hard, but as long as the band has a relatively quiet backline and drummer, they should be OK, especially when used with the sub.
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Janneman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:28 am

Hello,

What mixer are you using? Or how are you going to control the monitors. Do you have enough auxes on your mixer?
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:29 pm

50W RMS! i use a soundracft ui16 and 1 monitor. One more question if it will be outside do i need to use a tilt adapter for speakers or no. Thnx!
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Janneman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 4:37 pm

Ah, soundcraft ui16 has 4 auxes enough for a decent monitorsignal. Btw, what is the size of the venue were you are playing. Is it backgroud or a real concert?
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:19 pm

Wonks wrote:The Proel 12A is 250W+50W RMS speaker, with a max SPL of 124dB. It would be nice to have more powerful speakers so you don't have to push them quite so hard, but as long as the band has a relatively quiet backline and drummer, they should be OK, especially when used with the sub.

Dennis, see Wonks' post, quoted above, if your speakers are the V2 they are 300 watts continuous and 124 dB max, if V1 they are 250 unspecified (so presumably peak) watts.
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Janneman » Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:03 am

Hi Dennis,

how are things worked out???
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Mon Jul 30, 2018 11:04 am

I havent used it now but i will in some weeks. It will be a venue outside will it be enough power as foh for a band outside? thnx!
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Janneman » Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:16 pm

Give it a tryout with some music playing and measure the soundlevel from say 20 meters orso.

If it is a gig outside with a lot of people walking and talking then your setup is not enough.

How many people are coming to the gig.
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:54 pm

i think somewhere about 60-90 people.
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby Janneman » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:07 am

The best is only mic the singers and snare and bassdrum. The other instruments are load enough to hear. With the soundcheck start with the vocals and then guitar, bass, drums as last the horns. Take your time .
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Re: proel flash 12a for a band

Postby dennisgamalej » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:38 am

Hey! Maybe i have to invest in new speakers? I found this one: https://www.musicstore.de/en_NL/CZK/Fam ... 017651-000

or this one: https://www.musicstore.de/nl_NL/CZK/Fam ... V000083621

i like the mark Fame. The mics of them are amazing but i dont know if the speakers will be okey for a band. Thnx for your help.
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