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proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 1:42 pm
by dennisgamalej
hello i have to do sound for a band. I have a proel flash 2x 12a and 1x proel flash 15sa. Can i do with that foh sound for a band (2 electr. guit,1 bass, 1 trumpet, 3 singers, 1 drums). Its a concert for about 60 people. Tnx. With greets,
Dennis

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 3:45 pm
by blinddrew
Assuming that the guitar amps and bass amp will be providing most of their signal then that should be plenty. What do you have for foldback / monitoring?

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:23 pm
by dennisgamalej
as monitor i have my eurolite monitor and the band will bring some monitors. Do i will get natural sound or messy afwull sound?

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 4:55 pm
by blinddrew
That will depend on how you set things up, but with that set up you should be able to get a decent sound in a venue for 60 people fairly easily, just remember that if in doubt, turn everything down and prioritise the lead vocal. :)

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 8:59 am
by Sam Spoons
I would only put the singers and trumpet through the PA (and, maybe not the trumpet) unless the electric guitars and bass don't have amplifiers. You don't mention what you will be using to mix the mics or, indeed, what mics you have, that might be useful to know, as would the genre.

Your biggest potential problem in a small room (I'm assuming your audience of 60 is not going to be rattling around in a warehouse) is going to be the drums. Drums are loud, drummers who can play well quietly are quite rare. You will probably need to damp the drums and cymbals may need to and insist the drummer uses rods or brushes.

WRT the mix, balance everything else to the vocals as Drew says, and if they are't loud enough turn everything else down. Also your ProL speakers probably won't sound great at max level (which you shouldn't need BTW in your room) so, again turn down if it starts to sound bad.

HTH

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2018 10:21 am
by timssinned
each speaker has 250 w. i hope it will sound clear. i have one more question. How loud i have to set the speaker volume and how i have to setup the speaker eq? or i dont have to touch the speaker eq? pls help me thnx!

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:33 am
by Sam Spoons
Without more detail of the rest of your rig (mixer and mics), how you connect it up and what you intend to mic up through the PA it's hard to give good advice. Howovever, how you should set the gain on the speakers depends partly on the mixer but set the mixer gain structure first and then adjust the speaker gain upwards from -∞ until it's loud enough in the room. Speaker eq also depends on the mixer and the room, start with it flat then try altering it and choose the best sounding setting.

HTH

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:56 pm
by dennisgamalej
hey!!! thnx for reactions! i have a question i will have a small gig outside band(drums 2x guitar and 4 vocals). My speakers has each 50w rms will it be enough? thnx

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:00 am
by Sam Spoons
You mentioned the speakers being 250 watts in an earlier post? 50 watts is not enough if you want to mic drums and guitars but should cope with vocals only if the backline/drums are not too loud and the area/audience you need to cover is small.

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:13 am
by Wonks
The Proel 12A is 250W+50W RMS speaker, with a max SPL of 124dB. It would be nice to have more powerful speakers so you don't have to push them quite so hard, but as long as the band has a relatively quiet backline and drummer, they should be OK, especially when used with the sub.

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 12:28 pm
by Janneman
Hello,

What mixer are you using? Or how are you going to control the monitors. Do you have enough auxes on your mixer?

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:29 pm
by dennisgamalej
50W RMS! i use a soundracft ui16 and 1 monitor. One more question if it will be outside do i need to use a tilt adapter for speakers or no. Thnx!

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 5:37 pm
by Janneman
Ah, soundcraft ui16 has 4 auxes enough for a decent monitorsignal. Btw, what is the size of the venue were you are playing. Is it backgroud or a real concert?

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:19 pm
by Sam Spoons
Wonks wrote:The Proel 12A is 250W+50W RMS speaker, with a max SPL of 124dB. It would be nice to have more powerful speakers so you don't have to push them quite so hard, but as long as the band has a relatively quiet backline and drummer, they should be OK, especially when used with the sub.

Dennis, see Wonks' post, quoted above, if your speakers are the V2 they are 300 watts continuous and 124 dB max, if V1 they are 250 unspecified (so presumably peak) watts.

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:03 am
by Janneman
Hi Dennis,

how are things worked out???

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 12:04 pm
by dennisgamalej
I havent used it now but i will in some weeks. It will be a venue outside will it be enough power as foh for a band outside? thnx!

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:16 pm
by Janneman
Give it a tryout with some music playing and measure the soundlevel from say 20 meters orso.

If it is a gig outside with a lot of people walking and talking then your setup is not enough.

How many people are coming to the gig.

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:54 pm
by dennisgamalej
i think somewhere about 60-90 people.

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:07 am
by Janneman
The best is only mic the singers and snare and bassdrum. The other instruments are load enough to hear. With the soundcheck start with the vocals and then guitar, bass, drums as last the horns. Take your time .

Re: proel flash 12a for a band

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 8:38 am
by dennisgamalej
Hey! Maybe i have to invest in new speakers? I found this one: https://www.musicstore.de/en_NL/CZK/Fam ... 017651-000

or this one: https://www.musicstore.de/nl_NL/CZK/Fam ... V000083621

i like the mark Fame. The mics of them are amazing but i dont know if the speakers will be okey for a band. Thnx for your help.