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Postby twotoedsloth » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:00 pm

Hello,

I need to purchase some dynamic mics to be used for miking (mic'ing?) up a Jazz orchestra. We will be using 8 mics.

1 mic for speaking
1 mic for featured solo
2 mics in the piano
2 mics on the saxes for solos
1 mic for trombone solos
1 mic for trumpet solos

I am debating the SM58 - we already have 8 of these but they are more than 20 years old and are very beat up and not in good condition.

However, I am told we can stretch the budget a bit, so I am considering the Sennheiser 835 or 935. These mics also have a 10 year warranty, compared to two years on the SM58s.

Your thoughts, gentlemen? I am open to/would welcome suggestions if there is a mic I have overlooked.

Thank you kindly!
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:18 pm

Budget plays a large part in this, so what's the maximum you can spend?

If it's just the appearance of the mics, you could always invest in 8 new grilles to make them look a lot nicer. Shure's own replacements are £11.50 each, or you can get a look-alike replacement from £7.50.

You might be better off with some capacitor mics for the piano. The rest of the instruments will work fine with dynamics, though it really depends if the PA is good enough for the better top end and transient response of either capacitor mics, or neodymium dynamics, to be of benefit.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:48 pm

Hello, and thank you for your response.

Maximum budget per mic is around $200 CAD, which is about £120.

It is better to buy new mics, as the budget might not be available in a few years (a few months, even) time. The appearance is a bit of an issue, as musicians are not likely to handle beat up equipment as nicely as they would a mic that looks well taken care of. The SM58s that we have are from way before I began working here.

In regards to capacitor/condenser mics for the piano, I have not had good luck in live performance. I've used pairs of KM184s, DPA 4011s, AKG c480s, and Rode NT5s over the years, and feedback is consistently a problem. The SM58s don't sound nearly as good, but they don't squeal even if you push them pretty hard.

My PA gear is a Yamaha DM1000 mixer (using internal effects), 2 Yorkville CR5 amps, and 15" Tannoy dual concentric speakers, I don't know the model number, and they are mounted on the walls, so it's not that easy to get a look at the back.

Please let me know if you need more information to make an informed recommendation.

Thanks for your time.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Mike Monte » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:36 pm

If you have a budget for new mics - use it!

Whatever you do, I would get 8 similar mics, be it 58's or e835's, or whatever.

I have several of each (sm58's and e835's).
When setting up a band I always try to use the same mics for vocals and horns....less complicated, each mic has the same nuances, etc.

I've been liking the e835's for the past several years.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby James Perrett » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:43 pm

This is a pretty competitive market so there are a few you've overlooked but, if you go for SM58's then it might be worth buying a few spare grilles at the same time. It may also be worth going for a combination of SM58's for the vocals and SM57's for the instruments. If you prefer Sennheiser then it might be worth going for a few instrument mics as well as vocal mics.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:44 pm

Hello, thanks for your advice.

I think that SM57s are not suitable, as I will have to do panel discussions with up to 5 members on the panel, and one moderator, I'm not sure it's worth it to have two SM57s and six SM58s. Probably I'm better off with eight SM58s.

Does the Sennheiser e935 sound as good or better than the SM58? The 10 year warranty is appealing, but I've never had a problem with the SM58s, they're just 20-25 years old and in rather poor condition (though this is not my fault - they were like this when I got them).

Is there another dynamic mic that might be worth considering?

Your advice is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Bob Bickerton » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:23 pm

I actually prefer the e835s over SM58s in most situations. I did have an e935 for awhile, but thought it was less open than the e835, so I let it go.

A microphone we use for many of the sources you note for live work is the Sennheiser e614, which is currently going for a heavily discounted US$99 with Sweetwater. It's one of the best condensers we've found for feedback resistance in a live scenario. And we've used them for panel discussions (mounted on a table and use pop-socks), no good though if you're after hand-held microphones.

I wouldn't worry too much about the warranty thing. If you buy a genuine reputable brand, it'll last the distance anyway.

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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:19 pm

I'm about to pull the trigger on this...

8 Shure SM58s or 8 Sennheiser e935s? They're about the same price, the SM58 comes with a 2 year warranty, and the e935 has a 10 year warranty.

Please please let me know if I am making a colossal error.

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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Wonks » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:38 pm

None of them will be 'errors' as they are all very useable mics. None of them are likely to go wrong if they don't fail within the first few weeks, so 2 or 10 year warranty is probably irrelevant. If a Sennheiser fails in it's 10th year, then it will probably be down to treatment which won't be covered by the warranty. You'll still have the 8 original SM58s, which you can replace the grilles on and use for less auspicious events in the future.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Bob Bickerton » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:03 pm

twotoedsloth wrote:I'm about to pull the trigger on this...

8 Shure SM58s or 8 Sennheiser e935s? They're about the same price, the SM58 comes with a 2 year warranty, and the e935 has a 10 year warranty.

Please please let me know if I am making a colossal error.

Thanks kindly.

You’re not going to make a colossal error, but you can optimise your choice.

Seeing as you ask..... warranty lengths are not an issue I have SM58s which are 20 years old.

Again I’ll say I often use e835s, hardly ever use a 58 these days, sold my 935. You could buy a set of e835s and with the money you save by not buying e935s buy some e614s. We have around 100 mics in the cabinet and the 614s are used on most live gigs, you’ll find them very useful.

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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:54 pm

Thanks for your insight, Bob.

I've got permission to buy four e614s in addition to the eight handheld dynamic mics. I think I'll just buy two for the moment, and if I really like them I can pick up two more. I think that I will go with the e935s, if I don't like them I have 90 days to return them. Also, I will still have my old SM58s should I get nostalgic.

I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post and offer your suggestions.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:20 pm

Genuine thanks for your reply Mr. Wonks.

New grills (grilles?) made by Apex are just $5 CAD, the Shure grill(e)s are near $20. I'll buy one Apex and see if it's a significant step down, if not, I can replace all eight for $40 CAD, about £23. I wonder if it is possible or even wise, to paint the bodies of the SM58s?
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:19 pm

Over here the SM58 is £90, the e935 is £150, if you are talking about Beta58s the price is about the same but the Beta is a very different mic to the SM58. Or do you mean e835s (which get a lot of love on this forums)?
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:01 pm

Hello Sam,

Prices here in Canada:

e835: $130 CAD £76 (note that this comes with a stand and cable)
SM58: $149 CAD £87
e935: $189 CAD £110
Beta58: $229 CAD £134

It looks like the e835 represents excellent value. However my colleagues came out strongly in favour of the e935, which is significantly cheaper than the Beta58.

I've already ordered 8 e935s, so let's hope for the best. I do have a 90 day grace period in case I don't like them. The difference in pricing is curious. I guess in the United Kingdom tax is already added to the list price, that accounts for some of it. The SM58 is roughly the same price, but the e935 is much, much cheaper here.

Other mics I considered were the Beyer TG V70 and the Telefunken M80, but at $297 (£175) and $328 ( £192), they were out of my price range.

I'll be biting my fingernails until I get a chance to try out the e935s, maybe I shouldn't have let me colleagues sway me... water under the bridge now.

Thanks everyone who took the time to read and respond to this thread.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:01 pm

Maybe buy a e835 to compare with the 935s just so as you know, you can always return it.....

FWIW the Beta 58 is a super-cardioid and has a pretty narrow sweet spot, I prefer cardioid mics (though not SM58s) for most vocalists.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby AlecSp » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:36 pm

I enjoy my e935s a lot, much more than my SM58s.

If you go for them, then you might want to wait until October, when I understand that Sennheiser's mic of the month will be the e935 for USD 99. This is the same promotion that's seen mics like the e904 marked down to USD 99 for a month at a time - some screaming bargains!

And I've never heard anyone treating a warranty period as a big influencer with mic purchases before - rather bizarre, really....
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:39 pm

Hmm...

Too bad I already placed my order. Maybe my dealer will honour the lower price. Probably that's too much to hope for.

Sincere apologies if I caused offence by raising the warranty issue.

Thanks for the tip about the Sennheiser promotion next month.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby AlecSp » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:05 pm

twotoedsloth wrote:Too bad I already placed my order. Maybe my dealer will honour the lower price. Probably that's too much to hope for.
Thought you had 90 days grace on the order - use that, and repurchase, or just cancel now and purchase next month?
twotoedsloth wrote:Sincere apologies if I caused offence by raising the warranty issue.
No offence, just bemused.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby twotoedsloth » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:25 pm

Hello,

Yes, I do have 90 days to decide if I like the mics, however, it would be churlish to cancel the order and reorder when the price is down. I have to do business with these folks in the future, and I don't want to anger them.

Do you think there's a polite way to request a lower price when the promotion is published next month?

Many thanks.
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Re: Shure SM58 vs Sennheiser e835 vs Sennheiser e935

Postby AlecSp » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:31 pm

twotoedsloth wrote:Do you think there's a polite way to request a lower price when the promotion is published next month?
This is a sound forum, not consumer advice!

Up to you. If you'd only just placed the order, you could probably have cancelled before it was shipped and just waited until next month. Why not ask them now if they'll honour next month's price. There's only so much we can hold your hand...
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