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Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:30 pm
by Sam Spoons
I may give one a listen sometime. The EV was very 'one note' but, more importantly, didn't go high enough to work with my little TC VoiceSolo speakers (a big ask I realise but it would have been a useful little rig).

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 am
by gsc1ugs
the yamaha dxr10 looks very similar, are they similar to nexo ps10 or when driven correctly?

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:11 am
by Sam Spoons
DXR10 has a similar spec to the Nexo apart. obviously, from being powered. If you ended up buying new you'll struggle to better the Yamahas for similar money, they really are very good indeed. But, at 5x the price, a Nexo rig really ought to be better.

Sound wise, I haven't heard them side by side which would be the best (only?) way to evaluate them. FWIW the only Nexo rig I've heard (knowingly at least) was fantastic, very loud and incredibly clean. But it was much bigger than your suggested rig (coincidentally the band was an Madness tribute).

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:18 am
by Wonks
The only Nexo rig I've heard probably had the 8" speakers and two lots of subs on each side/ It sounded good, but was being pushed hard to get the volume and was distorting by the end as the soundguy was pushing the volume up as the gig progressed. I did think that the DXRs (plus subs) would have given just a good, if not better, account of themselves.

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:38 am
by gsc1ugs
Thanks for the info, so as top five go, nexo and dxr's are up there, i have ready other systems like dynacord and D.A.S but never heard them

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:57 am
by Sam Spoons
It is difficult to define 'High end" WRT to PA systems these days (other than by price ;) ) but some 'reputable' companies only do 'proper' pro kit (L-Acoustics, Nexo, DAS) others cover the whole range from pro down to budget (JBL, RCF,) and others budget to mid range (and I'd probably include Yamaha here though their DZR range is probably a match for any non line array rig out there). I don't know how frequently you gig but if it's most weekends, say 25 gigs a year or less it would probably be overkill to spend the cost of a small car on the rig when a pair of Yamaha DXRs would fulfil your needs. If you make your living doing 250-300 gigs a year then the expense is easier to justify.

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:05 am
by Wonks
Dynacord are a German company, now owned by Bosch (who also own Electrovoice). They've made good, solid PA equipment in the past (like powered mixers), but haven't seen or heard any recent product from them.

D.A.S, I've not really been aware of.

QSC are probably a step up the ladder from Yamaha in sound quality, though you do pay more for similar products (i.e. speaker size and output power). It's a small step, but you'd probably notice it an in A/B comparison, though maybe not on their own. I don't know whether the new Yamaha DXZs now eclipse the QSCs.

But it's always better to have a system that's operating happily below its maximum output, rather than one you have to push hard all the time to get the volume you need.

It first comes down to your budget, then your ability to store, transport and rig the system, especially as you probably won't have a band to help with the set-up and maybe no-one to mix, even if only during the initial set-up. You will need a monitor, and three tops plus two subs, plus stands, leads and a small mixer is a lot to transport and move round if you are on your own. You'll also need a decent lighting rig if you want to look professional, which is more equipment that needs transporting and setting up, not to mention the post-gig breaking down when you're tired after the performance.

Do you plan to have any assistance, or is it entirely a one-man show?

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:17 am
by gsc1ugs
One man show, thats why size of the item is important, lights and black backdrop.

Someone said get this, i dont know if that is anything in the same league

rcf evox 8

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:51 am
by Sam Spoons
I haven't heard them. They are light and compact but not as loud as a DXR10 and twice the price. Consider two (or three) DXR8s and a 12" sub (I'd suggest the DXS12 but it's a sturdy beast despite only having a 12" driver but has a huge max SPL of 134dB which means you'd only need one) or QSC K8/2 and a single K-Sub https://www.thomann.de/gb/qsc_k_8.2_band_bundle.htm

FWIW the Dynachord's I've seen recently have been re-badged low end EVs.

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:24 pm
by MarkPAman
The DB Technologies ES1203 is surprisingly good (and loud) for the money if you're looking for a compact "column" type system.

The built in mixer may well be enough for what you're doing too. You could start with one system & add a second very easily if your gigs get bigger in the future.

Relatively easy to find in shops & have a listen to as well.

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:00 pm
by Wonks
There comes a point when you just have to get out to a shop and start trying the systems out. Get an idea of how loud they go, how heavy and how bulky they are. Bear in mind what transport you have. There's a limit to how much you can get in a small hatchback or saloon.

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:03 pm
by gsc1ugs
Its not so much loud im looking for but room filling quality if you understand what i mean

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:10 pm
by gsc1ugs
Its not so much loud im looking for but room filling quality if you understand what i mean

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:48 pm
by Sam Spoons
Wonks wrote:.......
There's a limit to how much you can get in a small hatchback or saloon.

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Golf Diesel hatchback :- 2 x QSC K12, 3 x Yamaha DXR10, 1 x EV sBa750 sub, Mackie DL1608, Mic box, stands and a few lights. Still room for a couple of guitars and a combo or WHY and a passenger :thumbup:

Re: compact high end speakers

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:20 pm
by Wonks
But there is still a limit! I did say 'small' and I'd also say that a Golf is very much a medium-sized car these days in terms of interior capacity.