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what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:25 am
by gsc1ugs
Ok, i know this question is different to all due to each person having different ears to what is better for each other but... here goes, what is the best sounding small system for solo act doing audiences up to 350 people? I need it compact but still kicking ass... thanks for your time

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:15 am
by Bob Bickerton
Each of the brands in your survey manufacture a variety of systems, so your survey is simply asking about 'brand preference', not what system is best!

If you provide more useful information - you say solo act - do you use backings? - Singer/Acoustic guitarist?

Probably best to ask for specific system suggestions.

Bob

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:55 am
by Wonks
Price plays a big influence. Is it an open budget?

And presumably it's to be taken round with you, rather than installed at a specific venue?

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:20 pm
by gsc1ugs
Sorry yes, solo act with backing tracks, madness tribute, budget depends on the shear quality of sound and yes, i have too tow these things around with me

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:05 pm
by blinddrew
There are much better and more experienced minds than mine out there, but remembering a couple of things from your previous thread, I'd be looking at a combo of a couple of 10" active boxes, a sub and an 8" active for a stage monitor from whichever Yamaha range I could stretch to.
But that's just me.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:42 pm
by Sam Spoons
Yup, me too though I wouldn't object to any of the others either except, maybe Altec who don't seem to be doing high end kit these days.

However, Madness to 350 punters requires some considerable power and 2 x 10"s and a sub would not come close to hacking it IMO. I wouldn't want to be rigging a sufficiently powerful rig, playing the show and then tearing it all down again on my own either so reserve the personal rig for smaller places and hire a sound guy and proper rig for the big ones.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:54 pm
by blinddrew
Sam Spoons wrote:Madness to 350 punters requires some considerable power and 2 x 10"s and a sub would not come close to hacking it IMO.
True. I was still thinking in the 'rigging it myself' headspace.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:23 pm
by tantroniq
Following this thread.

My challenge is to find a streamlined setup that would allow me to bypass the "house pa" in venues where those are not well maintained. My genre is experimental electronica, so generally the audience is going to be under 250 (well under 250 in most cases) but the venues might be made for larger audiences. Or sometimes the venue is a multipurpose type room. Its kind of maddening to consider all the variables inherent in that range, but there it is. The good news is I don't need to slam listeners into their seats.

I performed a brand new set at an electronic music festival, and it being all new material for live with literally all of it being things I had not done before, I was going in a bit...blind? I used an old JBL monitoring system I had purchased for when I was doing a traveling act for venues with similar challenges (random house sound quality and available tech) and patched from it to the house speakers, and was told by experienced and discerning listeners that it all sounded great but I myself never got to hear what they did.

I have no experience with this type of live sound. My live sound was all acoustic instrumental (classical) and then I went straight to recording electronica. Now I'm working to build a new live repertoire, which is electronica/multimedia.

I would think the requirements for best sound would depend a lot on the kind of sound you are trying to make. In my case there is almost no standard instrumentation, but there is some (electric violin). but there is a lot of nuanced sound qualities that defy easy description (lots and lots of sound/noise design). My challenge is to find something that will reproduce what Ive pre-recorded without distortion. And I don't need to turn anything up to 11.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:28 pm
by gsc1ugs
When i said 350 that would be the max, just covering myself, mostly a 150 crowd i would imagine but the odd club can hold many

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:19 pm
by Sam Spoons
Ok, relatively a known quantity (I have DXRs and have auditioned DSRs) and (relatively) at a sensible budget. Yamaha DZR10, x 3 (2 x FOH + 1 x monitor) plus one (or maybe two, try the rig with one and add a second if one is not enough) DXS15 subs. Cost around £3500. To do the same with 'the best' (as requested) you'd want to consider L'Acoustic or Nexo (who belong to Yamaha). FWIW the equivalent Nexo box costs £1400 each and they are unpowered so you'd have to budget for power amps too. Hard to give an exact cost but closer to £7k I would have thought.

A DXR/DSR rig would come in at around £2300 and be excellent for your 150 audience but probably a little underpowered for 350.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:19 pm
by The Red Bladder
For quality of sound and ease of transport, I would go with D&B every time.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:27 pm
by gsc1ugs
Which model of d&b?

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:58 pm
by The Red Bladder
That depends on budget and how loud you want things to get! D&B cost quite a bit!

I just did the sound for a charity theatre gig - just 100 audience and I flew two Genelec 8030s above the audience and added a couple of Genelec subs. Worked a treat! They were certainly loud enough. The show opened with smoke and the sound of a bomb going off in the trenches - hence the subs.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:34 pm
by The Red Bladder
Active and relatively cheap (£1,300-1,400 each) and damn loud - JBL SRX835P. They will probably do your 350 gigs with ease.

Speaker design has advanced enormously in the past 15 years or so and gone are the days of schlepping massive boxes around.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:58 pm
by gsc1ugs
Thxs for that, so why are K2’s £4500?

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:59 pm
by Dave B
Where are the K2s listed at 4.5k? I only see them for 7-800 as the K.2 series only goes up to 12" drivers. Arguably, a more comparable product to the JBL that RB mentioned would be something like the KW153 and that's also about 1300-1400.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:11 am
by MarkPAman
You need to get out there and do some listening for yourself.

I've not used everything on you list, but I work mainly the size of events you mention, so here are my thoughts:

As already said, most of those brands have several ranges, which differ vastly.

For example, I own an RCF TT+ system (started with 8" Tops & 12" Subs, and now have 12" tops as well & occasionally a 2x18" Sub). IMO, the 8" sound better (and cost less than the 12" tops), for most of what I do - though on paper there's almost no difference in their spec. But the 12" top's look more impressive, and that counts sometimes. Get to 350 people at high volume though, and I'd be looking to sub in something bigger, and not want to set it up on my own.

I'd take my TT+ over any HK, Nexo QSC or Yamaha I've ever heard for that size of system. Give me the the money, and I'd probably swap them to D&B, or more probably something from KV2 which you've missed of your list.

But the same is not true of RCF's cheaper boxes, and when started with a smaller budget I pulled them out; HK were high on my list, though in the end I decided to spend more, which I've never regretted.

Re: what is the best sounding small system

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:53 am
by gsc1ugs