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Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:28 am
by gsc1ugs
Thanks for the info, would the powerstation 350 power the subs? Im not getting 18’s if i did the bigger venue rheyre prob in house, they wouldn’t expect me fill a room like that

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:53 am
by gsc1ugs
Im obviously mis informed but i thought subs where just to push air :angel:

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:19 am
by Wonks
gsc1ugs wrote:Thanks for the info, would the powerstation 350 power the subs? Im not getting 18’s if i did the bigger venue rheyre prob in house, they wouldn’t expect me fill a room like that

No. They would make some sound but would be very underpowered compared to the tops. You'd be better off with a lightweight rack amp of the right power.

Cheap subs generally are there to make a 'thud' for kick and bass and don't have a lot of clarity to the bass notes. But well-made subs simply and smoothly extend the range of the tops downwards, just like you are listening to a good large hi-fi speaker.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:26 am
by Sam Spoons
Wonks wrote:Sam has a downer on 12" subs. I don't. :round1: Nexo simply don't make bad kit and my 12" Yamaha sub (now Dave B's) was absolutely fine with the DXR10s.

Not on 12" subs per se, just teaming them with a 15"H top cab (though my EV 12" sub, now sold, was very 'one note')

You too will be fine provided you use the controller and a suitable power amp (if it's not one of the combined units). But you must make sure that both the DXR15 and the sub have the same low pass filter high pass filter and low pass filter frequencies. It looks like they are all adjustable on the NEXO controller, so make sure they are set to the same value as set on the DXR15s (either 120Hz or 100Hz - you'll need to see what works best for you).

We did try and tell you not to pick the 15"s and use 10"s or 12"s instead, especially with subs. We know you'll have to carry them to and from gigs!

:thumbup:

QSC Touchmix 8 say? I know it's very expensive new for an 8 channel mixer, though used is now an option as they've been out a while, but it really is a good little digital mixer. You can also use it to record your performances for reference and self-improvement. Sam, thoughts on other cheaper but equally useful digital options?

Lots of good, small digital desks out there these days, Mackie DL806, Behringer X-Air 12, Soundcraft UI, amongst others. I still use my Mackie DL1608 for most of the (fairly few) gigs I do these days. The app is the most intuitive of the ones I've tried (disclaimer :- I bought the DL as my first digital mixer so I learned on the Master Fader app, as with DAWs the most 'intuitive' one is the one you started with, there is a learning curve though and digital is not for everyone). I've had the Mackie for, IIRC, 7 years now and would replace it if it died.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:12 pm
by gsc1ugs
Seem to change to desks, ok, let me keep it simple, can i use ls400 subs with controller or should i get anither pair subs, weight size is the factor, i heard the id24 system, really small but great sound again small subs

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:16 pm
by AlecSp
It really feels like you're desperate to throw money at kit that won't help you, but will make life more difficult for yourself.

So, listening to your Youtube track, it's not bad, but maybe a little bass heavy, which won't be helping you. But only a bit.

If I'm right in thinking you're out as a solo act with backing track, then the obvious PA candidate I would recommend is a good pair of 12" actives (and nothing wrong with the DXR range). Whilst not full range, the bass extenstion would normally be quite passable for the kind of small venues I'm *assuming* you're playing - bearing in mind it's the vocals the punters are really after. It's also got the benefit of being a nice portable setup. In fact, I'd even be happy with a pair of RCF ART 710s, as even those pack a good punch.

But you've gone for 15s. They should be doing a perfectly good job, as long as you're driving them with a flat EQ (please don't be using any bass boost or anything nasty like that) and will give a little more bottom end than smaller cabs, at the expense of portability. Experiment with speaker placement, as that may help in some tricky venues.

For a solo act with backing track, other than if you were working with really subby electronic music (which you're not), subs will be a complete waste of time and add to your cost, carrying burden, and setup time.

As others have said, ideally you'd have a dedicated monitor speaker/IEMs and a mixer that can send to it, as well as giving you some FX to craft your voice a little, albeit that's not critical. And buy a semi decent mic, not a £15 Behringer nasty.

Depending on where you're based, you might find a willing forum member who might be prepared to spend some of their valuable time helping you make your current kit work for you.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:49 pm
by gsc1ugs
Ok thanks for advice all. think i should of thought about high end gear then it saves time in future, think what your all saying is

PS8 & LS400 WITH CONTROLLER AND AMP

OR
PS10 & LS500 WITH CONTROLLER AND AMP

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:13 pm
by Sam Spoons
Not exactly, what most of us are saying is that your DXR15s are, almost certainly, plenty good enough to do the job and you would be better finding out why they don't seem to be sounding good to you at the moment. I doubt you'll get any significant improvement by changing to the Nexo rig if you don't also sort out whatever the other problems are....... And then you DXRs will probably sound great anyway. If they don't then that's the time to explore more (much more) expensive options.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:20 pm
by Mike Stranks
Just a thought... you do have the DXRs pole-mounted rather than floor-mounted don't you?

If you don't, that would be a reason the bass response is 'off' as far as you're concerned.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:51 pm
by gsc1ugs
On pole, I don’t want sound simple but when i say boom, its probably thw fact they are 15’s and demo’d in small room, i will agree they would be good enough for gigging but 2 small subs on standby foe the big rooms would easemy mind, 12” subs small active i dont mind

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:28 pm
by Sam Spoons
I'd definitely try to get the DXRs working well first.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 2:32 pm
by AlecSp
Ditto to Mike and Sam, the only problem your DXR15s should be giving you is their weight & size.

When you say they're "boomy", there's always the risk that you have a completely different use of the word than others (I know my wife calls things boomy, and means something completely different from me).

If you're having problems with the DXRs, I'd be completely unsurprised if you didn't have similar problems with £20k of spanky kit...

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:52 pm
by Mike Stranks
AlecSp wrote:
If you're having problems with the DXRs, I'd be completely unsurprised if you didn't have similar problems with £20k of spanky kit...

Quite so...

My money's on a hall/room with poor acoustics where the system hadn't been EQ'd to the room.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:02 pm
by Sam Spoons
The OP has issues WRT eq as neither of his available desks have much eq to work with. Money might be better spent on a Berry XR12 (at a few quid over £200) and a cheap 'droid tablet.

Re: Need the smallest subs

PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:07 pm
by MarkPAman
Very true.