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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Guest » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:30 pm

I guess if it's used on a wireless circuit and being used on big jobs where the singer is engaging the audience or drunken karaoke night then it will get bashed about

But if it's being used on open Mic or quiet pub scrooning jobs where it never leaves the Mic stand only to be popped back in its box then it should be ok
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:53 pm

If it's your own mic then how well it's looked after is up to you. It is almost inevitable that a stage mic will sustain some wear or even damage if it is used regularly but SM58s are robust and can continue working even after considerable abuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95U7wxPQZdE

Buy a new SM58 and, as long as you continue singing live, it will have a place in you gig bag (and, if you do need o sell it, a good used example with a receipt to prove you bought from a reputable dealer should be worth maybe £20 less than you paid for it new).
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:28 pm

music master wrote:But if it's being used on open Mic or quiet pub scrooning jobs where it never leaves the Mic stand only to be popped back in its box then it should be ok

That's the theory, the practice is generaly quite different. But you'll probably find that out for yourself.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Dan LB » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:26 pm

Sorry but you’re looking at buying some NEXO subs which aren’t really going to help with your current rig but won’t fork out 90 quid for a mic? :headbang: :?
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:49 pm

No Dan, that's another new poster @gsc1ugs who seems to have resolved most of his issues.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Dan LB » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:55 pm

Ah apologies! Those threads have been melding into 1 in my head :headbang: :headbang:

Carry on :lol:
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:12 am

:D Mine too.....
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby zenguitar » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:22 am

Those Vulcans get everywhere with their mind-melds :bouncy:

Andy :beamup:
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Guest » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:46 am

Mike was right when he said you will get 2 different answers on this forum
I will be collecting my mixer tomorrow so will be an interesting topic there I can imagine.
I no longer use other forums for technical related advice, just seem to be full of people who know very little and spend there time criticising and condemning the hard work of others as opposed to studying training practicing learning ect, i.e. Blue room and home recording the term trolling springs to mind!

Now back to the sm58.
Reasons I have been so keen on it because one, I was told it has the best quality sound and two, it would suit my voice type for heavy rock.
I was not bothered about its reliability and durability though. But now I read that the road M1 is the equivalent to the sm58 but cheaper.

Well I don't know what to read half the time with all these little different stories from different people saying that one Mic suites one person's voice but not someone ellses visor versor. There dose not seam to be any real hard evidence on voice classification regarding micropones
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:23 am

You're right, there isn't. When it comes down to quality of sound, it is all subjective.

There are some technical measurements that are useful, such as frequency range and the polar pattern of the microphone. If there's a frequency response chart, that can tell you a certain amount as well, once you learn to read them - but you also need to know that they are idealised and smoothed out, and there are manufacturing variations that means even two identical mics can sound a bit different.

Then you come to personal preference and also the playback system. If you are singing live, then the quality of the PA will play a part. A PA speaker lacking in treble will sound better with a mic that has a lot of top/end frequency boost. But on a better PA that has a good treble response, that extra brightness may come over as too harsh sounding. Yes, you can do some tailoring with EQ on the mixing desk, but generally people tend to run live desks with the EQ fairly flat and only use any significant EQ to solve problems.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:58 am

music master wrote:Mike was right when he said you will get 2 different answers on this forum

This is true, but appreciation of music is subjective and we all like different things So we all have different opinions. However the opinions of the regular posters on here are well known to the community and all will have value.

Now back to the sm58.
Reasons I have been so keen on it because one, I was told it has the best quality sound and two, it would suit my voice type for heavy rock.
I was not bothered about its reliability and durability though. But now I read that the road M1 is the equivalent to the sm58 but cheaper.

Well I don't know what to read half the time with all these little different stories from different people saying that one Mic suites one person's voice but not someone ellses visor versor. There dose not seam to be any real hard evidence on voice classification regarding micropones

Again it is subjective (and a bit of a 'black art') traditional voice classifications relate only to vocal range and not to the quality (in a bright/warm/etc context). All studio and stage mics cover the frequency range needed to reproduce the human voice from Basso Profound up to Soprano but a 'mellow' soprano might sound better with a brighter sounding mic. For your needs an SM58 will do the job, as you said in an earlier post, it is an 'industry standard' you won't go wrong with it. But if money is really tight there other mics you can consider, e.g. an AKG D5 costs around £50, most would say it is not inferior to the SM58 despite being a fair bit cheaper.

Mike Stranks' experience and knowledge means that his advice is amongst the best so if you are conflicted ask him a straight question and go with his suggestion.

TBH it is easy to overthink this when really almost any of the kit discussed would do a decent job and you could get back to making music.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:23 am

music master wrote:Reasons I have been so keen on it because one, I was told it has the best quality sound and two, it would suit my voice type for heavy rock.

Point two is obviously subjective and you'd have to try it in person to judge that... but it is plausible. Point one is possibly more contentious; many would argue that there are a lot of better-sounding mics than the SM58 -- most also being a lot more expensive, of course! Indeed, if you look at the stage vocal mics used by a wide range of high-end artists, the SM58 won't feature very prominently! However, it would also be valid to say that the SM58 is a very competent mic that has been well-proven over a considerable time, it is a well-known quantity by all live-sound mixing engineers, and it's a mic that is guaranteed to deliver something reliably usable under all conditions. And that counts for a lot!

But now I read that the road M1 is the equivalent to the sm58 but cheaper.


The company is Rode:http://www.rode.com/microphones/m1

I've not used the M1 myself, but I've heard some good reports about it. I gather it has a brighter sound with a more open high-end than the SM58, but is otherwise similar in terms of sensitivity and feedback resistance.

There was a discussion about the M1 and D5 in this forum thread: https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=34610&hilit=Rode%20M1#p315809

...different people saying that one Mic suites one person's voice but not someone ellses visor versor. There dose not seam to be any real hard evidence on voice classification regarding micropones

The human voice is a very complicated sound source, and microphones tend to have very non-uniform frequency responses. So, while any microphone will capture the voice adequately, it is often the case -- especially in a studio recording situation -- that one specific model of microphone just happens to dovetail wonderfully with that person's voice, to capture a sound that just has an extra something special about it not found with other mics. All entirely subjective of course, but it is something that most have experienced.

In a live-sound situation, though, aspects other than tonal attractiveness tend to become more important -- things like feedback resistance, handling noise, resistance to plosive popping, ability to cut through the mix, and so on. And again, the SM58 generally scores highly in these areas which is why it has built its reputation as a reliable workhorse over the years.
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