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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby DanR » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:01 pm

Peter H wrote:Can I hesitantly put a possible spanner in here - in my experience it is a big deal for choices of gear if the bass player does, or does not, go through the main PA. In jazz-type small/medium gigs, it's so much easier if the bass goes alone, and for example you may even be OK with yamaha DBR10s, DXR8, or QSC K8. (I assume the drums are not miked)

Yes, agree with that. Ideally bass would have a stand alone amp. Keep PA for everything else.
Maybe though ‘everything through the PA’ has always worked for the band and is convenient.
Monitoring looks sufficient.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Peter H » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Maybe though ‘everything through the PA’ has always worked for the band and is convenient.

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Yes, and good, light bass amps are not cheap!
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby AlecSp » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:32 pm

A reality check based on the original post, if 802s at 14kg are too heavy for you, DXR10s are no lighter. In fact, most decent 10" active cabs are around that weight or heavier. My RCF ART 710 Mk1s are only 11kg, but they've gained weight in subsequent versions.

That said, for what you carry in the active cabs, you'll no longer be carrying in a separate amp.

Otherwise, yes, a good pair of active 10" cabs is likely to impress you. Only you can decide whether they're good enough to add bass into. A lot of small scale jazzers will use a bass combo instead of going through the PA. My 10" GenzBenz cab is stupid light (7kg) and has astonishing depth, as well as reasonable level - it can't quite hold up with a full-on rock band. That's the kind of bass cab that would suit a small jazz setup, unless you went with a full-range PA including sub.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby DanR » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:10 am

AlecSp wrote:A reality check based on the original post, if 802s at 14kg are too heavy for you, DXR10s are no lighter. In fact, most decent 10" active cabs are around that weight or heavier. My RCF ART 710 Mk1s are only 11kg, but they've gained weight in subsequent versions.


Yes.
The EV ELX200-10P is another option. Just a little over 13kg.
I’m impressed with my Alto TS210. Very light and decent sound.
They are cheaper but the new 300 series looks good spec wise.
Get what you pay for though so they won’t have the headroom and sound quality of more expensive cabs.

At the other end of the scale, the new QSC K8.2 would do very nicely I think. Surprising bass from a small cab.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Mike Stranks » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:18 am

At the end of the day, the OP will have to decide what he wants - small and portability or heavier with good, solid sound. IME those two are usually, but not always, mutually exclusive.

I like my Also TS210s and they give a good account of themselves, but they're not in the same league as my (former DXRs).

As has been intimated, even some of the 'quality' 8"s can give a good account of themselves and accurately represent bass. For ease of portability I ended-up with some DXR8s. One of the acts I worked with had a section of the concert that had significant bass content. The 8s gave a good account of themselves.

Bottom line OP: only you can decide. Listening is the acid test... Good luck with your exploring and choosing. :thumbup:
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby NickBellows » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:31 am

Hi OP here
really appreciate all the help in this thread. A lot to think about.
I think what I have summarised is that to get good sound I need some weight.
The DRX10 look like they are pretty universally liked and that if nothing else - I will notice a step up in performance from my 802s
Calculations tell me that volumewise the Yamaha's are about 2/3 that of the Bose (LxWxH) so that is useful. I also won't need the separate amp - all saving space.
So, I shall order some DRX10s and give them a go.
We have a gig next Saturday, so should know pretty soon.
One day, we might consider a sub, but the Bose seem to have been fine for us for the past decade as far as providing bass in our mix and I guess the Yamaha will at least match that.
I will hope that the 802s & eq get a reasonable price on Ebay.
I shall report back - watch this space.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Wonks » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:08 pm

Best of luck, Nick. :thumbup:
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby DanR » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:28 pm

Good luck with the DXR10s :thumbup:
Original version which I have is going for a good price now the mkii is available.
Just the one big handle on top but should be easy enough to stand mount as they’re small and chunky.
I’d recommend the original covers as the speaker finish is smooth and prone to scuffs.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:44 pm

I have Stagg speaker bags for my DXR10s, cheap and cheerful but they do the job fine. The DXRs are easy enough to get up onto stands and, like DanR I've had three of the original version for a few years now and been extremely happy with them. Just be aware the 'D-Contour' eq switch makes a big difference to the sound so don't forget it's there.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby NickBellows » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:57 pm

Sam, are these the Stag bags you mean
Stagg SPB Speaker Bag, 10 Inch
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Mike Stranks » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:09 pm

Having invested quite a sum (for me) in the DXRs I decided to buy some really decent padded covers.

I used Hot Covers https://www.hotcovers.co.uk/speaker-covers/yamaha-speakers-31354/yamaha-dxr10-speaker-cover and was delighted with the quality and finish and the protection they offered.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:37 pm

NickBellows wrote:Sam, are these the Stag bags you mean
Stagg SPB Speaker Bag, 10 Inch
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Yup, those are the ones. They don't get heavy usage these days but, apart from the zip pulls which are made of custard :tongue: , they seem to be wearing well.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby DanR » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:09 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:Having invested quite a sum (for me) in the DXRs I decided to buy some really decent padded covers.

I used Hot Covers https://www.hotcovers.co.uk/speaker-covers/yamaha-speakers-31354/yamaha-dxr10-speaker-cover and was delighted with the quality and finish and the protection they offered.

I have Hot Covers for my RCF rig. Super quality and service.
The Yamaha covers have a flap for the handle but the Hot Covers are open.
Easy on and off though.
Never been too struck on bags for speakers. Bit of a technique required.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby AlecSp » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:17 pm

I've got original RCF zip front covers for four of my ART speakers, and Hotcovers one for two of them.

While the RCF covers are all very functional, I much prefer the Hotcovers ones. I never use the speakers in their covers, so the whole zip and flap thing is just an obstacle - it's much easier to get them in and out of the Hotcovers.
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Re: Replacement for Bose 802

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Jul 22, 2019 10:48 pm

The plus with the bags is several handles, and in this respect, the Stagg bags are better than my 'proper' QSC K12 bags.
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