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Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:38 pm
by Klaus_UK
Hello,

I use the term screamo as although maybe not the most accurate word to describe the genre in question, it means you all get what I mean!

Could I ask the forum’s opinion on which microphone you’d select for a male singer of this genre, playing in small/medium sized venues. Due to the sheer noise of the rest of the band, the usual suspects (SM58 etc.) are not cutting it (pun intended).

The vocalist likes to spend most of his time in the crowd, so feedback resistance is a real issue and the wall of sound presented by the band hides what usable sound does come through. Desk will be 9/10 a X32 or M32, so I will have that level of functionality/tonal control to try and get things sounding good.

Currently I’m looking at the e845, e865, or Beta 57A as options.

The overriding factor is choosing a microphone that can sufficiently reject feedback and also the high volume of the surrounding band. I currently have a couple of Beta58A but they didn’t suit the style or provide enough isolation annoyingly

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:14 pm
by blinddrew
Quick question Klaus, how does the singer hold the microphone?
I've lost track of the number of people struggling with feedback rejection when they've been dealing with a singer who cups the mic. Good technique can make more difference than microphone choice.

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:25 pm
by Sam Spoons
If Beta 58 doesn't hack it then I doubt the Beta 57 will either. I haven't used either but the Heilsound and Audix OM7 have a rep for better than average feedback rejection. Just a thought, if the singer cups the mic basket the best hypercardioid* is going to be closer to an omni with all the feedback issues that generates.

The final option, as unpalatable as it might be, is to turn the band down.

* The OM7 claims to be less affected than most.

edit :- Drew got there first. :D

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:34 pm
by The Korff
blinddrew wrote:I've lost track of the number of people struggling with feedback rejection when they've been dealing with a singer who cups the mic.

There's a handy solution for that...

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Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:49 pm
by Klaus_UK
The Korff wrote:
blinddrew wrote:I've lost track of the number of people struggling with feedback rejection when they've been dealing with a singer who cups the mic.

There's a handy solution for that...

Image
That’s metal.

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:51 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
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Fabulous! Should be a standard accessory!

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:54 pm
by Klaus_UK
blinddrew wrote:Quick question Klaus, how does the singer hold the microphone?
I've lost track of the number of people struggling with feedback rejection when they've been dealing with a singer who cups the mic. Good technique can make more difference than microphone choice.
Job Title: Sound Engineer / Firefighter

Yes, I’m aware of that and do what can be done to manage technique however ultimately the band are in charge so all I can is give myself the best chance through good microphone selection and then the rest is down to them.

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:58 pm
by Klaus_UK
I hadn’t considered the OM7 however that looks to be just the ticket!

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:28 pm
by blinddrew
Klaus_UK wrote:
blinddrew wrote:Quick question Klaus, how does the singer hold the microphone?
I've lost track of the number of people struggling with feedback rejection when they've been dealing with a singer who cups the mic. Good technique can make more difference than microphone choice.
Job Title: Sound Engineer / Firefighter

Yes, I’m aware of that and do what can be done to manage technique however ultimately the band are in charge so all I can is give myself the best chance through good microphone selection and then the rest is down to them.
The best I've managed to get with some folks is to equate it with any of the other band members and how they've had to learn to use their kit (be it pedals, amps, sticks) as well as their instrument. Kind of play to that 'your voice is your instrument, your technique gets the most out of it'. Sometimes it works, sometimes you're p***ing into the wind.

I do like the barbed wire basket protector though - for certain genres it would definitely act as an image enhancer. :)

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:51 pm
by Wonks
Klaus_UK wrote:I hadn’t considered the OM7 however that looks to be just the ticket!
But the singer does need a consistent mic technique and keep it close and in the same position. The very tight polar pattern means that if you wander off-mic even a small bit, the vocal level will drop significantly. But you won't get a stage mic with a tighter pickup pattern.

Even so, pointing the mic at the FOH speakers will still cause feedback, so technique is everything.

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:19 pm
by James Perrett
If you've got a screaming vocalist who can't be heard with an SM58 then I'd say the problem isn't the microphone. Yes, an OM7 has a tighter pickup pattern but with a loud vocalist the SM58 should work.

Are you using compression or distortion on the vocals? If not used in the right way these can both reduce the gain before feedback. As already mentioned, the singer also needs a sensible microphone technique.

And lastly - is the PA loud enough to overcome the sound of the band?

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:25 pm
by Humble Bee
For high feedback resistance I use the EV ND96. It sounds really good to IMO.

:thumbup:

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:38 am
by Bob Bickerton
Coming a bit late to this - certainly technique is the most important aspect, as well as having sensible levels.

Having achieved that and if you still need a microphone with better feedback rejection, then the Audix OM7 is the best we've come across. We actually undertook tests on several microphones some years ago and the OM7 was head and shoulders above the rest - BUT - you have to eat it and stay on mic - lips touching the grill!

Bob

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:50 am
by ef37a
Differential pair Gaffered together?

Been a while since I was in a pub with a band but over many years hearing them I almost never got much of what the singer was doing! Generally bands do not have a Scooby about balance and what is physically possible with amplified microphones.

I have just seen that the OM7 has an even lower sensitivity than a 7b at 0.8mV/Pa. Maybe put a 10dB XLR slug in the mic cable and scream even louder?

Dave.

Re: Vox Microphone for ‘Screamo’ Music

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:35 am
by Tim Gillett
James Perrett wrote:If you've got a screaming vocalist who can't be heard with an SM58 then I'd say the problem isn't the microphone. Yes, an OM7 has a tighter pickup pattern but with a loud vocalist the SM58 should work.

Are you using compression or distortion on the vocals? If not used in the right way these can both reduce the gain before feedback. As already mentioned, the singer also needs a sensible microphone technique.

And lastly - is the PA loud enough to overcome the sound of the band?

This ^

I'm also guessing this has nothing to do with the microphone.

And if the band is that screamingly loud on its own, there's probably no headroom left anyway (in the audience's ears) for an even louder vocal.

But as so often with self diagnosed problems, posting a recording from the audience is probably better than" a thousand words". Give us what you're hearing... Your diagnosis that the problem is with the mic may be completely wrong.