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Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 10:35 pm
by Guy Johnson
As to the 'why' on the low end, I don't know much ... I just know what they DO :)
Thanks for the info, Hugh, I'll have a look.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 5:56 pm
by Stoney
Got these too recently, largely off the back of Hugh's (many) recommendations :)

(Plus listening in stores - but the environments weren't that great).

I think I may still be in the burn-in phase, but already they are light years beyond anything I've heard in a home setting before.

Thanks Hugh! (and Guy for the review)

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:16 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Stoney wrote:I think I may still be in the burn-in phase...

The Neumann gurus are adamant that their speakers don't require 'burning in', and I've not noticed any obvious character changes from first switch-on with any of the ones I've reviewed (or owned).

H

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:09 pm
by Guy Johnson
Nor have I — however, I did pink noise them for a few hours to start with.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:01 am
by Stoney
Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Stoney wrote:I think I may still be in the burn-in phase...

The Neumann gurus are adamant that their speakers don't require 'burning in', and I've not noticed any obvious character changes from first switch-on with any of the ones I've reviewed (or owned).

H

OK great - was just going off what I'd heard about monitors before, not based on the monitors' actual performance.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:34 am
by ConcertinaChap
One small thing. The basic volume of the speakers is determined by an input gain pot and an output level switch with four values. In both cases I have to have these on their minimum values or else I am limited in the control I have earlier in the chain. It's not a problem (and certainly doesn't affect my liking for these monitors) but it would be nice if both pot and switch allowed lower values. The Genelec 8030 has just one front mounted volume control and this certainly can go lower than the Neumanns.

CC

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:01 pm
by Guy Johnson
I should have mentioned that the KH 120s are very quiet.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:00 pm
by Forum Admin
Guy Johnson wrote:I should have mentioned that the KH 120s are very quiet.

By "very quiet" do you mean they are not very loud, or that they don't exhibit much background noise?

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:46 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
:D I'm pretty sure he means the latter! ;)

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:53 pm
by AdrianTatar
ConcertinaChap wrote: The Genelec 8030 has just one front mounted volume control and this certainly can go lower than the Neumanns.

CC
The Genelecs have front mounted volume control but on the rear panel are used dip switches that can't be used without a screwdriver, and this is a model to be used as a mobile device but you are not able to change the settings on different location.
Like Hugh says a few months there is no day and night.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:57 pm
by Forum Admin
AdrianTatar wrote:
The Genelecs have front mounted volume control but on the rear panel are used dip switches that can't be used without a screwdriver, and this is a model to be used as a mobile device but you are not able to change the settings on different location.

Err, just take the screwdriver with you on location too? No biggie...

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:03 pm
by Mixedup
Forum Admin wrote:Err, just take the screwdriver with you on location too? No biggie...

Yes... I do think the title 'engineer' is a little overused these days ;)

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:46 pm
by ConcertinaChap
Hugh Robjohns wrote: :D I'm pretty sure he means the latter! ;)


Quite so. My problem is to get them to be quiet enough ...


AdrianTatar wrote:Like Hugh says a few months there is no day and night.


Que?

CC

PS Actually that's a low shot. I use the 8030s not on the road, which is a normal use for them. Even on the road a ballpoint pen would suffice to make adjustments. They are really excellent monitors. It is a measure of the quality of the KH120s that they are better.

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:17 am
by Hugh Robjohns
ConcertinaChap wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote: :D I'm pretty sure he means the latter! ;)


Quite so. My problem is to get them to be quiet enough...


I don't really understand why, Chris. With the output level set at 94dBSPL, and the input sensitivity at the minimum -15dB, the actual output level will be 79dB SPL at 1metre with a 0dBu input level.... Which is not loud, and is one of the recommended acoustic reference levels for small rooms.

These Neumann monitors reveal their Germanic design in their precise level calibration options, based on receiving standard reference input levels. And that being the case, have to assume that either you are working with them extremely close to your listening position, you like monitoring at unusually low levels, or your source signal is extremely hot -- and I suspect the last is the most likely.

If you can't adjust the gain structure of the monitoring chain easily, some 10dB inline pads migh make life easier!

H

Re: Neumann KH 120A monitors

PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:17 am
by ConcertinaChap
Fair comment. I've got the speakers fairly but not abnormally (I would have said) close and I've calibrated them for my preferred level of 70dB using the volume control of my Apollo 8. As I've said, with the controls on the monitors at minimum it isn't a problem. What would make the issue irrelevant would be if the speaker trim controls on my MC2.1 were actually accessible, but that's also a discussion we've had before :)

Cheers,

Chris

Edited to add PS, it's all trivial stuff really, I don't want to take away from some excellent monitors and an excellent monitor controller.