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Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review' -- Update: DSP Functions

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:05 am

Further to the original podcast review, I've also just posted an update about my experiences so far with the Neumann Control App. You can read that here:

Neumann KH80+KH750 Update: DSP Functionality

Obviously, I'll continue to post updates as the situation develops further...

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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby blinddrew » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:09 am

:thumbup:
Not having an ipad i haven't tried the app yet, not that the room is finished yet anyway, but would an android version be too much to ask? Or even a phone version of the app?

I'm so demanding. ;)
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:00 am

Mike Senior wrote:I wonder whether it might feel a bit underpowered in that scenario, because the 310s can definitely deliver band-tracking playback levels in the midfield, and I don't think the 750 could keep pace with that. Still, I've used 310s for tracking before now without a sub, and no band has complained about lack of bass, so I suppose you could just leave the 750 switched off for those sessions. :)

I'm actually very happy with the volume and bass extension of the 310s, and I'm told that I would need to add two 750s, one on each side, to really benefit. The attraction would be as much about reducing distortion from the 310s bass unit to improve midrange accuracy even more, as it would be bolstering the sub bass spectrum a bit.

So I await a trial with considerable interest.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby n o i s e f l e ur » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:41 am

Sam Spoons wrote::blush: Yup.......

He still ain't a sheila :bouncy:

He walks like a woman and he wears a bra.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Watchmaker » Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:46 am

ummm, who's hand is on the old gentleman's shoulder?
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review' -- Update: DSP Functions

Postby Mike Senior » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:36 am

Hello again,

It looks like the problem with my KH80+KH750 review system was a one-off initialisation thing -- and not something hamfisted I did, thankfully, although I'd be prepared to hear that I'd been an idiot somehow. (Wouldn't be the first time!) Here are the details:

Neumann KH80+KH750 Update #2

They're shipping the system back to me again, so I'll post again when I've had a chance to check it out again.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:08 am

That appears to be a locked file, Mike. Is that intentional?
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Mike Senior » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:26 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:That appears to be a locked file, Mike. Is that intentional?

Nope -- just unlocked it!
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:52 pm

:thumbup: :D
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:28 am

Hello again!

OK -- I've had the system back from Neumann R&D, and the stereo problem I had has been dealt with. So here's my impressions of the Control App's phase-optimisation routine:

Neumann KH80+KH750 Update #3

What a product. :clap:
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:19 am

Thanks for the update, Mike. I'm pleased you've found that the DSP functions work well -- as they should.

However, happy as I am with the concept, I have to say that three things really put me off it.

1) the Remote app is only available on an iPad,

and 2) they've been working on this app quite literally for bloomin' years now, and it's still only available on the iPad.

There is simply no excuse for that...

oh, and 3) not everyone has a frickin' iPad!

I don't have a current iPad and I have absolutely no intention of buying one just to perform a one-time setup of a DSP speaker system.

They really do need to produce a Mac/PC control app as a matter of extreme urgency because if I went down this route I'd want to be able to set up my DSP speakers from the computer, not a tablet. At a push I could be persuaded to do it from an Android phone... but they haven't even provided that option!

I don't know the reason for this extreme tardiness in porting the control app to other platforms; I can't believe it's a rational policy decision, so I can only assume Neumann either doesn't have sufficient in-house expertise, or can't or won't find appropriate external support for some reason. :-(

It's very disappointing, and especially when their competitors can manage multi-platform configuration facilities.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby James Perrett » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:31 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:They really do need to produce a Mac/PC control app as a matter of extreme urgency because if I went down this route I'd want to be able to set up my DSP speakers from the PC, or at a push, an Android phone...

Or perhaps publish the communications protocol so that third parties can build the control functionality into their apps.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Ramirez » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:59 pm

The K80 are very tempting indeed, and Gear4Music have pairs for what seems an exceptionally good price at the moment.

I don't want to start a new whole new thread about it, so I'll ask here:

If I were to buy a pair of KH80, it would mean movving on my AE22. Does anyone have experience of both? Would it be an upgrade or more of a sideways step?

I really like the AE22, but I use the KH120 often and like them too - but I don't think they're a clear step up in quality either.

The portablility of the KH80 appeals, as well as the fact that its a current, supported product.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:32 pm

I think the DSP correction built in to the KH80 makes it a small but worthwhile step up from the KH120 in terms of midrange clarity and precision, so by extension it would also be a small but worthwhile step up from the AE22...

...but the AE22 has a greater ability to put out low end welly than either the KH120 or the KH80, if that's important to you.
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Re: Neumann KH80+KH750 'Unvarnished Review'

Postby blinddrew » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:12 pm

Ramirez wrote:The portablility of the KH80 appeals, as well as the fact that its a current, supported product.
They really are quite dinky so even putting them back in their very well padded boxes still leaves them as a very compact option for taking on location. :)
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