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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Wonks » Mon May 21, 2018 9:58 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Ah yes, Bill Greenhalgh's Music. I bought my first proper synth -- a Roland SH-09 -- from him in 1980, but spent many years before that lusting over the gear in his windows (particularly HH mixers and amps, WEM copycats, and stuff like that, as I recall).

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I was at Exeter Uni from 79-82 and bought my trusty Ibanez TS808 from there and also several other pedals that I should have kept (but didn't), like a very rare Electro Harmonix Queen Triggered Wah.

We could have stood side by side pressing noses against the window. Did you go in when they had the huge Paiste gong (about 6' diameter) in the window display?

I was a regular IM reader as well from about '76. I didn't realise they had only been going a short while at the time, as it seemed a well established magazine.
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Mon May 21, 2018 10:00 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:I don't recall ever seeing or reading a copy of Sound International.... weird!

And as it's not shown on Muzine's magazine time-line chart or the list of titles on the site I doubt believe you! It can't have existed! You must have imagined it ! :lol: :bouncy:

Heh!

Actually, in our recent-ish big donation haul, we picked up a bunch of Sound International copies and are considering them for inclusion - it's in "research" phase - particularly trying to work out dates and the number of issues produced (without which, I can't add them to the timeline!)

(Edit: I checked our Slack conversations again and it looks like we have the complete run of these bar one issue. It was also edited by Tony Bacon, who's been super helpful with Making Music and One Two Testing already... It also incorporated Beat Instrumental after a time.)

I know Richard's on Facebook and aware of mu:zines so I plan to give him a shout when I have my background research in order...

We're also debating handling and archiving/hosting some other specialist non-UK mags, it's certainly worthy content and I'm for it in principle but I have to bear in mind practical concerns and I'm wary of continually adding new stuff as the finish line keeps being moved further away. :headbang:

I've also added some more early IM's into the processing queue for you oldies..! :bouncy:
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Mon May 21, 2018 10:05 am

Forum Admin wrote:There are lots of music mags not on that timeline - see righthand sidebar links on the web site mentioned above.

Indeed. It's not meant to be authoritative, and I'm not really covering "band"-type mags (eg, Beat Instrumental) and I can only add stuff that I know of, find, or people let me know existed. And some stuff is not yet visible on the live site, as well.

All of the info on the site is really as good as I can find out at any given time, and as further/better info become available, we update. It's a gathering of data that gets better over time...
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Forum Admin » Mon May 21, 2018 10:21 am

Desmond, you're doing a great job. My reply to Hugh was not meant as a dig at you or your wonderful site.

Personally, I'm happy for your site to have a music tech focus, as originally mooted by you, and then only if you wish expand beyond that remit.

It's funny, back in the day, mags like IM and 1,2, Testing were indeed aimed at and considered to be band-focused magazines at the time. It's just that they covered the '80s when lots of the instruments were synth-based and electronic (Simmons etc).
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Mon May 21, 2018 10:30 am

Forum Admin wrote:Desmond, you're doing a great job. My reply to Hugh was not meant as a dig at you or your wonderful site.

Yes - it wasn't taken as such, no worries.

Forum Admin wrote:It's funny, back in the day, mags like IM and 1,2, Testing were indeed aimed at and considered to be band-focused magazines at the time. It's just that they covered the '80s when lots of the instruments were synth-based and electronic (Simmons etc).

Yep, sorry - it's really a somewhat arbitrary description coined by me to justify my personal feelings about what I'd like to include and what not, based mostly on my history etc. When I say "band-type" mags I really mean the mags that don't focus on "making" music, rather on the bands and their music themselves - interviews, gig/albums reviews etc. So NME would be one of those, for example.

Our self-imposed remit is really *making* music and music production, so everything that falls outside of that ("band-type' mags on one side, various audio production / broadcast falls off the other side) I'm not bothered with. Besides, that stuff should be amply covered by other archiving projects (eg, the Hyman Archive).
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Forum Admin » Mon May 21, 2018 11:14 am

You're the owner of the Mu:zines site desmond, and it's all your hard work, so you have every right to make it what you want it to be. :thumbup:
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Fri May 25, 2018 10:11 pm

The publications "Phaze 1" and "Sound International" are now visible on the site. :thumbup:

http://www.muzines.co.uk/mags/
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Martin Walker » Mon May 28, 2018 1:04 am

Bravo desmond - the music tech world is now our oyster! 8-)


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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:19 am

International Musician issues 1-4 (Mar-Jun 1975) are now active on the site.

http://www.muzines.co.uk/mags/im

...along with the introductory blog post.

These are about the earliest issues that mu:zines will cover, and it's a bit of a different world for me..! Enjoy!
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Martin Walker » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:57 pm

Thanks desmond!! :clap: 8-)

I had all four of these issues when they were first published, so it's good to do some time-travelling over 40 years in the future :beamup:


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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:13 pm

:thumbup: nostalgia rules OK.
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Wonks » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:13 pm

Great! Thanks Desmond!

When more appear I'll have to see if I can remember what ones I've seen. I probably started getting them a year after it started, so the earlier ones will all be new to me.
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:35 pm

That's this round of International Musician done, next up in the queue is the short-lived "Micro Music" magazine.
(And 80 or so issues of The Mix to scan... :tongue: )

And one more thing:
Are you waiting for a particular issue? I'm opening up the issue processing to you, dear mu:zines reader.

Let me know which issue you'd most like to see next (please check we actually *have* it first!), and why.
Most/coolest/funniest reasons will get that issue to the head of the queue! :thumbup:
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Forum Admin » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:20 pm

desmond wrote:Let me know which issue you'd most like to see next (please check we actually *have* it first!)...

Call me biased but I'd like to see more early SOS active on the site. ;-)

Keep up the good work.

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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:39 pm

:)

At the moment, as all publications are allowed, there're all in the publication rotation and it will be nice to have at least some issues from each publication active.

I've also got a poll running on the site to get a feel for what publications people are more or less interested in, which may help me guide the processing queue going forward. I've already had a few eye openers from that, but we'll see what happens over time...

But in general, I'm still doing half a year from each publication in rotation, which is the fairest way of doing it, than maybe just working on the ones I'm personally more interested in... ;)
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:59 pm

We're back to Sound On Sound in the rotation (yay!), and SOS Jul 89 has just gone up, and there is another 11 SOS issues next in the queue.

(I've extended the most popular mags - SOS, MT and E&MM - to 12 issues per rotation rather than 6, due to popularity.)

There's been a number of improvements that's worth mentioning - many back end improvements and additions, and many smaller front end display and usability improvements. Some of the larger ones (tags, and related gear) are covered in the blog post here: http://www.muzines.co.uk/blog/updates-improvements/29, and those things improve some of the long-standing shortcomings in gear metadata.

Many thousands of gear items have been tagged, and this will be an ongoing process as we (usefully) tag gear as another way to search (but as tagging can be essentially infinite, I'm restricting this to useful tags rather than going overboard.)

We also now handle internal links - so if an article directly refers to another article in a previous issue, that text will now link to that article as a convenience.
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby blinddrew » Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:49 pm

:clap: once again.
It's a great piece of archivism you're doing here, as well as a great resource for everyone else. :)
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby Folderol » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:42 pm

:thumbup:
Seriously impressive work.
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:58 pm

Thanks chaps - note, I'm not fishing for compliments (though they are nice and appreciated :thumbup: ), just posting occasional updates for people following along...

As far as tagging goes, this is my current outstanding list of tags yet to apply to gear:-

Tape Size (1/4”, 1/2”, 2” etc)
Tape Speed (Cass Standard, Cassette Hi, 15ips, etc)
Mic type (Ribbon, Condenser, Dynamic etc)
Amps (Combo) - Guitar Amp, Bass Amp, Drum Amp, Keyboard Amp
Speakers - Studio, PA, Hifi
Guitar Style - Strat, Tele, SG etc
Bass Style - Precision, Jazz etc
Drums - Cymbals, Hardware, Kit, Shell, Practice Kit
Drums Electronic - Digital, Analog, Kit, Brain, Pads, Multipad (Octapad, drumKat etc)
Guitar FX (types, reverb/delay etc)
Guitar Synth - Guitar, Bass, Brain
Headphones - Closed/Open/In Ear
MIDI Controller - Wind
Sequencer - CV/gate, MIDI

Gear Families (DX Synths, JV Synths, XV Synths, RX Drum Machines, TR Drum Machines etc)

Other suggestions are welcome and I've already done a bunch like polyphonic aftertouch, synthesis types, poly/mono, digital/analog synths etc etc

Tagging is quick for gear I know well, but a bit more hassle for gear I don't know inside out, as often I have to go hunt for information, and sometimes that info isn't even in the articles on the site, so I have to externally find out. While some people could scan through the mic list and reel-off the mic type for most of them, I can only get about 20% on sight..! So I just do various categories at a time. It would be nice to crowdsource some of this out but realistically it's more work to provide a user-tagging feature and let people go at it (and verify the results) so I'd rather just treat it as an ongoing task...
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Re: Early Sound On Sound Issues...

Postby desmond » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:28 pm

Part 3 of David Mellor's excellent "Inside the Synclavier" series has just gone up with SOS Aug 89, and he has graciously dug out his original recordings to go alongside the article for us:

http://www.muzines.co.uk/articles/insid ... avier/5620

Very cool to hear the finished track and the Synclavier in action.

He's also made a blog post about this:
https://www.audiomasterclass.com/newsle ... instrument

Very cool! :thumbup:
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