You are here

Starting from scratch article

Page 7 of 7

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:05 pm
by Wonks
If somebody brought out a range of mics, cables and audio interfaces named A, B and C, then it would be very easy. :)

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:29 pm
by blinddrew
Now there's a business proposition for you!

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:30 pm
by ef37a
"I think we might be mixing our objectives here, but yes, good documention is essential in any field if you're going for anything more than a quick dabble as a bit of hobby.
But if it isn't read by the target audience it's not doing its job. A lot of the queries we get are from people who just want to plug A into B and get on with the music; we can tackle C and D if and when they're interested."

People have NEVER RTFM'ed ! Much of the last ten years of my time as a field service tech was spent trying to teach people how to use VCRs and, as they got more and more complex, TVs. The instruction manual was always in front of me/them* and I tried to always relate the demo to a page and refer them to a page as questions arose.

It must not be "preachy" but surely any basic guide that graces the Hallowed Pages should always follow best practice? That, to my mind means attempting to instill a proper, systematic way of working and following gear makers instructions. If said manufctrs just hold up their hands and say "They don't read the &^%%$ Why should we bother to produce manuals?" We are all lost.

(btw, my email to Rode was a mistake. Somehow "road.com" was sent but it took a H of a long time to come back. Might have been my typo so apologies if so)

* What REALLY used to hiss me off was the guy (always a male!) who produced a scruffy piece of paper and wanted to write down my instructions. "It's all in the book!" I would exclaim. Best students were females, especially nurses. Worst were male teachers.

Dave.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:45 pm
by ef37a
Wonks wrote:If somebody brought out a range of mics, cables and audio interfaces named A, B and C, then it would be very easy. :)

Hmm? Several years ago I tried to get a company interested in IDC audio components. I even built a few prototypes with punch down Pressac blocks interfacing with jacks, XLRs and RCA sockets. Never got a response.
I noticed a year or so ago that such solderless connectors are now on the market. Not though by the company I approached.

BTW. bit rich saying "I" have wandered OT? I did not start the BS about the colour of various skys!

Dave.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:54 pm
by Watchmaker
This thread, perhaps more than any other I've read, really shows off the array of personalities populating the SOS forum :lol:

Everything can be taught, and a boundary around what "beginner" is and "what are they trying to do" needs to be drawn. I'd say ignore the latter as there are too many use cases to consider. Also what used to be relevant like biasing tape decks, is now only relevant to certain plugins. So the educator's knowledge and experience is necessarily is greater than the students ability to absorb. AKA "dumb it down a bit professor."

Knowing signal flow is paramount because DAWs were designed to emulate/facilitate/integrate the prior generation of solutions, some basic understanding of connectivity in the electrical sense (routing) is required for success. But HOW to inform the student of this when it's often the case that the end product is borne of desire rather than insight? I hear things in my head all the time that I know are useless from an artistic perspective. Recording is the translation of idea into content and requires both art and science ( I agree there is no meaningful distinction). I'd also say knowing the basics of transduction, AD/DA conversion, and some discourse on formats (hardware and software) helps today's newcomer gain enough context to begin making decisions.

fwiw, 45% of people loathe video and 87% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:31 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
blinddrew wrote:...i'd expect an SOS video to be well produced and to focus on the subject (rather than the presenter - which is a bugbear of mine!) :)

Mine too!

We've done some 'educational' videos in the past, and some have been well received, but it's actually an extremely difficult thing to do well. Monty's Xiph.org digital audio videos are amongst the best I've seen, but there's a very substantial investment (in time, if not cash) in bespoke demonstration equipment to make that work as well as it does.

So while perfectly doable, it's not trivial and takes a lot of planning and prep. And that's the problem for us. Squeezing that kind of production effort in around and on top of creating the monthly mags is a challenge.

Having said that, we have been talking around this topic for a fair old while now, and almost made a start last year but that was scuppered when our previous Media Editor jumped ship! But we have the content and the ideas... it's just finding a way to realise them.

I am encouraged, though, that so many think it's a good direction to move in. Watch this space! (Just not too keenly! ;-)

H

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:25 pm
by blinddrew
I work in communications these days, and i spend a lot of time persuading people that a video is not the solution to their problem. They're tricky to make, awkward to view, difficult to navigate... etc.
But sometimes they are the right tool for the job. And if, as Dave rightly points out, no-one RTFMs, then sometimes you have to try something else.
Though perhaps the better solution there might be for SOS to partner with one of the better existing video channels? Rather than trying to squeeze something that's not their bread and butter into a hectic schedule?

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:54 pm
by ef37a
blinddrew wrote:I work in communications these days, and i spend a lot of time persuading people that a video is not the solution to their problem. They're tricky to make, awkward to view, difficult to navigate... etc.
But sometimes they are the right tool for the job. And if, as Dave rightly points out, no-one RTFMs, then sometimes you have to try something else.
Though perhaps the better solution there might be for SOS to partner with one of the better existing video channels? Rather than trying to squeeze something that's not their bread and butter into a hectic schedule?

Err? Nice to get a mention Drew but I feel I have been quoted a bit out of my meaning? My point was, no one ever did RTFM but the fact is, we must still try to get them to! Sometimes, in desperation, I would say to a customer "I was not BORN knowing this you know! The only way I found out was from the book!" This fact can be an irritant to helpers who have put the work in and genuinely WANT to help the noob but do reasonably expect SOME effort on their part?

I have made the following point before but if there is a a video, or series thereof, my very limited experience tells me there must be a lot of time put in scripting it? Therefore surely said script can be knocked into shape and made available for download as well?

Yes, farm out the video work but that might be too costly?

Dave.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:11 pm
by blinddrew
Sorry Dave, didn't mean to take you out of context, i thought we'd found a piece of common ground.
If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always got.
We know people don't RTFM, we can keep telling them they should, but we shouldn't be surprised if they go elsewhere and find a method that works for them.

But every video absolutely should have a written equivalent. When i talk about this stuff at work, one of the points i emphasise is that a video will only ever be part of a solution. There are too many people for whom it doesn't work. So each script should be built on a written chapter.

Outsourcing the video work would definitely be too costly, hence i suggested a partnership approach.

Aaaanyway, clearly Matt and Hugh have a long term plan for this so i shall get back in my box and leave it in their capable hands.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:25 pm
by Mike Stranks
ef37a wrote:
BTW. bit rich saying "I" have wandered OT? I did not start the BS about the colour of various skys!

Dave.

I'm still here Dave.

It's a fact of life of ANY forum that people frequently wander off the subject and dive deep or ride their own hobby-horses. Hence my 'blue sky' post, using irony to illustrate the point that a forum is often not the place to ask a simple question when you have zero background knowledge.

I tried to be courteous to you in expressing my view that your approach to people who know absolutely nothing is misguided. Some courtesy in return - rather than referring to my post as BS - would have been appreciated.

Re: Starting from scratch article

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:04 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
I don't think anyone is being intentionally discourteous, just writing off the cuff and at cross purposes. Let's try not to take personal offence when none was intended. We are all friends here, are we not?

Clearly there are some strongly held views and frustrations in this subject matter, but it's also clear we all have the same end goal in mind and the discussion is illuminating and worthwhile.