Hugh Robjohns wrote:All I can say is that It takes a lot to impress Phil....

ef37a wrote:

Hugh Robjohns wrote:All I can say is that It takes a lot to impress Phil....

I get that impression as well Hugh. But have you heard the 2020s? Has Phil heard the R6?

This will be the last, major thing I buy and I do not want to 'buy cheap' and then wonder for the rest of me puff "SHOULD I have spent that other bag and a half?"

My requirements are modest. I do not want a max SPL much above 100dB and I do not want window rattling bass on rock (have the Missions for that!) No, my main concern is a very clear midrange to combat my lugloss, treble say, over 5kHz is forever a foreign land to me now.

Even something many folks blessed with '20-20 hearing would judge a bit 'forward' would suit me better than 'smooth'.

I guess, I want the Tannoys but more sophisticated and with a bit more level?

Dave.

Arpangel wrote:

ef37a wrote:

Hugh Robjohns wrote:All I can say is that It takes a lot to impress Phil....

I get that impression as well Hugh. But have you heard the 2020s? Has Phil heard the R6?

This will be the last, major thing I buy and I do not want to 'buy cheap' and then wonder for the rest of me puff "SHOULD I have spent that other bag and a half?"

My requirements are modest. I do not want a max SPL much above 100dB and I do not want window rattling bass on rock (have the Missions for that!) No, my main concern is a very clear midrange to combat my lugloss, treble say, over 5kHz is forever a foreign land to me now.

Even something many folks blessed with '20-20 hearing would judge a bit 'forward' would suit me better than 'smooth'.

My hearing loss is not up for question T. Had the NHS tests, got the curves and the digital aids!
I am progressively low to 2kHz and then go of a cliff. Most of the top string of the violin is lost to me as is the last octave of the grand Joe. I just hear the 'clunk'. The two ears are rather different in loss but that does not seem to affect my localization.

The Tannoys were purchased many years ago. The reasons for my choice went thus...

A blind 'shootout' in another magazine showed the 5As and something of Giant Killers, being picked up as better than other, more expensive speakers.

Tannoy are a very old and well respected audio company (they have the rare distinction along with 'Hoover! as being a generic name!) They have had speakers in studios for most of my 3 score and ten+5 they therefore have a reputation to uphold.

Tannoy do not make every other electronic gimmcrack and toy.

The price was within my grasp.

Behringer are the Marmite of the audio industry. They made mainly low grade gear until the advent of the X32 range. I do not like many of their business practices* (and Uli bottled the SOS Q&A!) but one cannot deny they have nade some very decent kit at a cost level that the home bod can afford.

But, the world of transducers is NOT the same as SMT electronics. I know how analogue electronics works to a fair level and know how cheaply even very sophisticated circuitry can now be made. The same is not true of loudspeakers. Anyone can stuff a set of cheap woofers and tweeters in a box (you only need a Stanly rule to copy the comp'!) fit it up with a pair of 'plate' amplifiers and Bish-Bosh, you got a monitor speaker...No, you don't, you just ha a ripped off box with cheapo speakers in it.

Until and unless someone of the high standards and larnin' of Phil or Hugh tells us "The Truths are superb monitors, sell you granny and get a pair NOW!" They won't get my custom.

Maybe I am a cynical old B but When £950 can buy you the 202os I think asking £1100 for two small 'bassless' noisy boxes is taking the ***s! (in the Nov mag.)

*Stop copying "our" 'king amps!

Dave.

I guess, I want the Tannoys but more sophisticated and with a bit more level?

Dave.

This could be complex, I’m not sure Dave, I wouldn’t come to any conclusions about your hearing just yet, it may be better than you think, and the human brain is a great compensator. I’d leave your ears out of the equation at the mo, it could only confuse things.
OK, I’ve always thought the Tannoy Reveals to be a tad on the dark side anyway, dare I say it, even muddy, I’d go as far as to say that my Behringer Truths have a more detail :crazy:
I’d choose the Reveals as a nice smooth speaker for someone who didn’t like a brighter sound.
I haven’t heard those two you’re considering, but I’d definitely have a listen to a few things, when things have calmed down, before making up your mind.

ef37a wrote:Tannoy are a very old and well respected audio company (they have the rare distinction along with 'Hoover! as being a generic name!) They have had speakers in studios for most of my 3 score and ten+5 they therefore have a reputation to uphold.

Tannoy do not make every other electronic gimmcrack and toy.

James Perrett wrote:

ef37a wrote:Tannoy are a very old and well respected audio company (they have the rare distinction along with 'Hoover! as being a generic name!) They have had speakers in studios for most of my 3 score and ten+5 they therefore have a reputation to uphold.

Tannoy do not make every other electronic gimmcrack and toy.

Sadly Tannoy are now part of the Behringer empire. However their budget dual concentric monitors certainly look interesting but I've yet to see an authoritative review.

James Perrett wrote:

ef37a wrote:Tannoy are a very old and well respected audio company (they have the rare distinction along with 'Hoover! as being a generic name!) They have had speakers in studios for most of my 3 score and ten+5 they therefore have a reputation to uphold.

Tannoy do not make every other electronic gimmcrack and toy.

Sadly Tannoy are now part of the Behringer empire. However their budget dual concentric monitors certainly look interesting but I've yet to see an authoritative review.

ef37a wrote:Thank you so much for your comments Phil, as you say, you can't really help me but extra information is always helpful.

I could afford the 2020s but will resist. My life is in a state of flux at the moment and I am really not in a position to sit back and enjoy music for any great periods of time. Yes, that is the main use any monitors would get, I am not doing recording in any serious way at all.
I have always wanted some really high end speakers, love ESLs but no room. The products of the hi fi industry I no longer trust (why use PTFE wire in a speaker? Is it going to catch fire?)
I am convinced that the £2,400 cost of the R6s will get me a better product than the same money in a hi fi shop, and I get the amps as well!

Dave.

Arpangel wrote:

ef37a wrote:Thank you so much for your comments Phil, as you say, you can't really help me but extra information is always helpful.

I could afford the 2020s but will resist. My life is in a state of flux at the moment and I am really not in a position to sit back and enjoy music for any great periods of time. Yes, that is the main use any monitors would get, I am not doing recording in any serious way at all.
I have always wanted some really high end speakers, love ESLs but no room. The products of the hi fi industry I no longer trust (why use PTFE wire in a speaker? Is it going to catch fire?)
I am convinced that the £2,400 cost of the R6s will get me a better product than the same money in a hi fi shop, and I get the amps as well!

Dave.

I thinks it’s a testament though, why these older products are being reissued, they were good then, and they still are, monitors are a separate issue, and I agree with you about where to spend your money, but I think all those years ago they got it right, and things haven’t really moved on.

ef37a wrote:
If you mean the ESL Tony, I agree with you. If you mean those stupid, climate busting amplifiers? No WAY!

Dave.