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Re: A suggestion

Postby blinddrew » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:08 pm

I can certainly see how a newbie forum would heavily test the Pareto principle...
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:13 pm

ef37a wrote:SOS [Forum] does not have auto-save neither can you attach files. This annoys the breasts off me personally but I do understand (a bit) when I am told they cannot run to such luxuries.

It's not a question of affording it financially, Dave, it's manpower to police it. We did offer image/file uploads years ago on a 3rd party platform, but some t**t stupidly uploaded a copyright track and we were told (rightly) to take it down, so I introduced the policy. If F/book, YouTube etc can't 'afford' humans to police uploaded content, how do you think SOS could cope with it?

The mod team works on a daily basis removing spam posts, and the poster's back office account, which detracts from us all doing other more important things. If we had to police image uploads and MP3s etc, I felt it would be a potential nightmare that we could do without, hence the policy of no uploads directly by members. It's hard enough vetting Readers' Ads each day, so vetting Forum uploads would be a time-consuming process we simply cannot offer -- and relying on post-upload removal after publication leaves us wide-open to image abuse.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby ManFromGlass » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:05 pm

I just couldn't imagine spending my days reading virtually every word that ends up here looking for the hateful, deceitful and the offensive. Thanks for that. I hope there is some small consolation like every time something inappropriate is removed there is the accompanying sound of a toilet flushing or a nice Badum Tish!
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:26 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:I just couldn't imagine spending my days reading virtually every word that ends up here looking for the hateful, deceitful and the offensive. Thanks for that.

We have a fairly well-behaved, focused collection of Forum members here, and they are very good at alerting the mod team when unsavoury posts are made, which helps keep this a calm oasis in the virtual world.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Alvvays » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:30 am

Some people don't like to introduce themselves (at least me). I quite resist providing information and also don't know what to say in the introduction.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Forum Admin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:48 am

ManFromGlass wrote:Perhaps we are all Noobs and it would be better to have Noob designations like Ensign, Commander or Grand Imperial Wazoo?

'Commander' to me implies a leader... with experience (hence not a newbie).
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Forum Admin » Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:52 am

Alvvays wrote:I quite resist providing information and also don't know what to say in the introduction.

Welcome.

Understandable, but it really helps members to help you (and others) if you could at minimum provide your Location in your forum signature, as this affects gear pricing, legalities for publishing rights, etc.

Location is to be found in your MY ACCOUNT screen on the Edit > Profile tab.

It doesn't have to be 100% accurate, just accurate to the nearest continent/country.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Dynamic Mike » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:33 am

I think this place is great for noobs. Most similar sites welcome your first post with RTFM and then add when you've R'd TFM, blame your 3rd party software/OS/mother/life-choices etc. I do wonder though whether noobs find some of the post counts off-putting? It's easy to assume post quantity equates to knowledge... I offer myself as an example that no such correlation can be proven! Are these necessary?

People also forget (or don't know if they weren't around then) that back when you had a newbie section only about 3 regulars ever visited it & responded to queries, which must have been a bit of a chore for them.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby ef37a » Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:17 am

"Same old same old" Mike.
Yes! SOS forum IS very noob friendly, it just does not SEEM so to the raw noob IMHO.

People (and I include myself in this) like a place to start where they feel they won't be judged. SOS magazine and forum IS The Best in The World (again IMO) and as such most folks feel trepidation about asking for help. TELLING those people "look, ask here, you will not get belittled" is useful. "WE" know we are not going to blast back with "RTFM!" but THEY don't!

As for your point Mike that 'noob duty' tends to fall to a few individuals? I spent 30 yrs setting up and demonstrating ever more sophisticated domestic electronics (VCRs got bloody clever!) and had to go through the same spiel day in, day out. I may not be PC cute but I CAN do that and am happy to help run the basics in a newb section.

BTW, Noticed no Reader's Questions in the current mag'? If due to lack of space maybe that tells us something about priorities?

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Re: A suggestion

Postby Kwackman » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:07 am

ef37a wrote:Yes! SOS forum IS very noob friendly, it just does not SEEM so to the raw noob IMHO.

Have you any evidence for this perceived unfriendliness?
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Re: A suggestion

Postby ef37a » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:33 am

Kwackman wrote:
ef37a wrote:Yes! SOS forum IS very noob friendly, it just does not SEEM so to the raw noob IMHO.

What evidence do you have for this perceived unfriendliness?

There is no evidence because it is not there! The point is you cannot KNOW that until you try and the newb is not given any kind of an "easy in".

Surely you have felt nervous at your first time at a big bank where everyone else knew exactly what to do but you didn't? Moving up to the Big School? I am in my 73rd year but 'I' remember theses things. Maybe yo'all made of sterner stuff?

In a nutshell you might even say that the very fact that the 'Old Guard' see no need for a newb section demonstrates why you need one!

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Re: A suggestion

Postby Forum Admin » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 am

We could post a "SOS welcomes Newbies" topic and make it a global announcement sticky so that it shows in every sub-forum, and remains there?
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Re: A suggestion

Postby ef37a » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:27 am

Forum Admin wrote:We could post a "SOS welcomes Newbies" topic and make it a global announcement sticky so that it shows in every sub-forum, and remains there?
Seconded.

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Re: A suggestion

Postby blinddrew » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:06 pm

Agree, a simple thread to that effect, with a quick statement to say that we're all learning and reinforce the 'no dumb questions' message would be a very welcoming gesture I think.
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Re: A suggestion

Postby Watchmaker » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:14 pm

I'm relatively new to the forum and joined only after watching the regulars for awhile. I never considered a n00b forum and personally don't see a need.

I like the idea of a sticky, but I'd caution against thinking of newbs as a monolithic block of potential participants. There seems to be a high percentage of people who join to get one specific question answered, e.g. "my church group sits in an echoey hall and we can't understand each other, what cheap gear do you recommend?" Others, like myself, who are coming here to engage in community and learn, will take on a different role. I don't see how creating a specific forum based on the amount of time one's been participating facilitates engagement, but that might just be my n00bness.

Either way, it's an interesting puzzle in human behavior. I'll shut up now.
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