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Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:42 pm
by Forum Admin
Watchmaker wrote:I don't see how creating a specific forum based on the amount of time one's been participating facilitates engagement, but that might just be my n00bness.

The Newbs forum didn't work in v2 of this forum years ago, hence why it was not continued with in this v3 Forum. Lots of forum folks discover the forum via Google and other search engines, then come to that specific topic and ask their question in a topic they already deem to be related to their question. The global sticky seems a better solution to me.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:55 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
Can I just point out that I'm typically approving three or four genuine 'newbie' posts pretty much every single day and I expect Andy is too, so from my perspective there really doesn't seem to be this mythical impediment that prevents newcomers asking simple basic questions. They are coming, they are asking, and while many didsappear once their specific issue has been resolved a good few stay and ask more and get more involved over time.

H

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:06 pm
by blinddrew
Useful data :thumbup:

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:17 pm
by ef37a
Hugh Robjohns wrote:Can I just point out that I'm typically approving three or four genuine 'newbie' posts pretty much every single day and I expect Andy is too, so from my perspective there really doesn't seem to be this mythical impediment that prevents newcomers asking simple basic questions. They are coming, they are asking, and while many didsappear once their specific issue has been resolved a good few stay and ask more and get more involved over time.

H

Sterling work Hugh but I must point out yet again, not known to the trembling newcomer.
It is that first step that I want making easier.

But people are strange! I post as much at HR as here and in their noob section I have had guys ask questions about 20 grand's worth of audio and computer kit! NOT my definition of a struggling, cash strapped muso.

Dave.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:21 pm
by Forum Admin
Dave, that’s precisely why we don’t have a Newbs forum.

The newbs global announcement will be posted tomorrow.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:32 pm
by ef37a
Forum Admin wrote:Dave, that’s precisely why we don’t have a Newbs forum.

The newbs global announcement will be posted tomorrow.

Does not matter! I just tell the rich illegitimates to RTFMs! And, for every ***t, I get to help 10 or more genuine 'know nearly nothings' a month.

Dave.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:21 am
by Dynamic Mike
ef37a wrote:I post as much at HR as here and in their noob section I have had guys ask questions about 20 grand's worth of audio and computer kit! NOT my definition of a struggling, cash strapped muso.

It depends on whether you define noobs as being new to the business, or new to the forum. For example, you could have a 20 G's worth of live gear & years of experience of being recorded, yet never have recorded anything more complex than a voicemail message yourself. You could probably justify pro & home/amateur recording sections, but then people would tend to gravitate to one or the other & a lot of shared knowledge would be lost.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:12 am
by ef37a
I suppose Mike, if I HAD to come up with a definition of a noob it would be someone who, regardless of gear inventory or experience in other technical areas, feels they cannot join the "mainstream" of obviously expert sound people in a forum.

My mention of the Rich Dick was perhaps wrong in that he had the right to post in the noob section, I just felt he was clogging it up for more deserving cases!

Dave.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:32 am
by Kwackman
ef37a wrote:Sterling work Hugh but I must point out yet again, not known to the trembling newcomer.
It is that first step that I want making easier.

We obviously have different opinions on this, but I don't think SOS should put resources into a perceived problem, just in case it exists.
You have already said there is no evidence of this "trembling newcomer".
From my (not extensive) experience on other forums visited on a daily basis, both music related and non music related, this SOS forum is by far the friendliest of those especially to newcomers.
YMMV

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:01 am
by garrettendi
We all start somewhere, and I hugely appreciated the welcome and help I got here when I was new, and knew even less than I know now.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:55 pm
by ef37a
Kwackman wrote:
ef37a wrote:Sterling work Hugh but I must point out yet again, not known to the trembling newcomer.
It is that first step that I want making easier.

We obviously have different opinions on this, but I don't think SOS should put resources into a perceived problem, just in case it exists.
You have already said there is no evidence of this "trembling newcomer".
From my (not extensive) experience on other forums visited on a daily basis, both music related and non music related, this SOS forum is by far the friendliest of those especially to newcomers.
YMMV

Pardon me! I did NOT say "there is no evidence of a trembling newcomer*" ! I said I had no evidence of SOS forum being unfriendly, because it AIN'T.

Just thought of another noob section 'advantage'? Take the thread about needing a new AI. This has now diverted into a discussion as to whether or not you need an SSD to run Win 10! (and yes, I know I contributed).

Such OT wanderings would I hope be jumped on PDQ in a noob section.

*I WAS one!

Dave.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:10 pm
by Forum Admin
Dave, please be realistic. Most topics veer OT eventually. Certainly Mods and SOS staff simply do not have time to police this. It's one of the foibles of every discussion forum I have ever visited (and let's not even include Facebook or Twitter in there, either).

I can't see how having a Newbies forum would be any different.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:19 pm
by ef37a
Forum Admin wrote:Dave, please be realistic. Most topics veer OT eventually. Certainly Mods and SOS staff simply do not have time to police this. It's one of the foibles of every discussion forum I have ever visited (and let's not even include Facebook or Twitter in there, either).

I can't see how having a Newbies forum would be any different.

I totally agree and I can ramble with the best of them but, the noob section I frequent often has the members cautioning "that is not what the OP asked!"

As someone mentioned earlier, newb sections tend to be frequented by a few diehards. In effect, self policing.

Dave.

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:30 pm
by Hugh Robjohns
This is getting tedious. This forum will not be having a noob section. It's been discussed at considerable length both in the public forums and amnogst the mod team. All the pros and cons have been carefully weighed and considered, and a decision reached against a separate newbie forum. Case closed

H

Re: A suggestion

PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:18 pm
by ef37a
Hugh Robjohns wrote:This is getting tedious. This forum will not be having a noob section. It's been discussed at considerable length both in the public forums and amnogst the mod team. All the pros and cons have been carefully weighed and considered, and a decision reached against a separate newbie forum. Case closed

H

Fair enough. I think?

Dave