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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ken long » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:35 pm

Well, what can I say? To get from my lighthearted joke about CD lifetimes to a short sermon about environmental responsibility in one jump is quite impressive. Well done!

you're right about the jump :oops: but i still think your last was a throwaway statement. no hard feelings :thumbup:
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:07 am

If we ever meet up at a SosMeet I'll buy you a pint. How about that?

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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby blinddrew » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:21 pm

All threads should end like this. :)
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ManFromGlass » Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Not a bad way to start either! :bouncy:

Back in the days of archiving to CD-R I went through a case of HHB disks. (discs?). Those disks have all failed. The backups were HHB as well. A few years back when you could still rent dvds I rented the first season of MI5. A number of these commercial disks wouldn't play because they were coming apart, the layers were separating.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Jadoube » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:34 pm

ManFromGlass wrote:Not a bad way to start either! :bouncy:

Back in the days of archiving to CD-R I went through a case of HHB disks. (discs?). Those disks have all failed. The backups were HHB as well. A few years back when you could still rent dvds I rented the first season of MI5. A number of these commercial disks wouldn't play because they were coming apart, the layers were separating.
100 years my ass!

I live in a very dry part of Canada and the very first CD-R I burned still plays. Was branded "Yamaha" but I'm sure they didn't make it.

I chime in here every once in a while and say "M-Disc" for archival media. :headbang:

Doesn't solve the "need ancient drive and platform" problem although if you are truly concerned you start squirreling away equipment. I'm not concerned, but I do archive to M-disc in case someone else is.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Dave B » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:03 pm

I now feel quite old and stupid as I've never come across m-disc before. I realise it's a little off topic, but does anyone else use it? Could be quite interesting for mid-long term archiving and storage...
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Jadoube » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:56 pm

Dave B wrote:... does anyone else use it? Could be quite interesting for mid-long term archiving and storage...

For me, it seems like the only "affordable" long-term solution. The key question is what are you solving and whats it worth to you?

For myself... "give my clients media that will last as long as they do in the context that we now live for a very cheap cost."

My experience tells me. stuff gets lost; people think they don't care etc etc and then one day; They care! This is my best hedge against that for a very small expense.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby James Perrett » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:07 pm

Jadoube wrote:
I live in a very dry part of Canada and the very first CD-R I burned still plays. Was branded "Yamaha" but I'm sure they didn't make it.

Not sure who made the Yamaha ones but the first disc that I burned was a Philips branded Taiyo Yuden disc which still played last time I tried it. I'll have to dig it out and do an error check on it. Back in those days I could fit more data on a CD than I could fit on my hard drive.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Jadoube » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:15 pm

James Perrett wrote:Back in those days I could fit more data on a CD than I could fit on my hard drive.

+1!
I would spend endless hours archiving to DAT. CD-R was a respite from DAT purgatory!
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Folderol » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:28 pm

Jadoube wrote:
James Perrett wrote:Back in those days I could fit more data on a CD than I could fit on my hard drive.

+1!
I would spend endless hours archiving to DAT. CD-R was a respite from DAT purgatory!

Hmmm. DIS 'n DAT :lol:
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ManFromGlass » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:36 pm

Jadoube wrote:
James Perrett wrote:Back in those days I could fit more data on a CD than I could fit on my hard drive.

+1!
I would spend endless hours archiving to DAT. CD-R was a respite from DAT purgatory!

+1 but
The only downside? I couldn't finish a beer in the time it took to burn a Cd-R.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:02 pm

I think that was part of the argument for real-time CD-burning, wasn't it? :lol:

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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby zenguitar » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:08 pm

He did say a beer, not a 6 pack of beers :)

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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:55 pm

Fair point! How about...

I think that was part of the argument for 4x CD-burning, wasn't it? :bouncy:
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby johnny h » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:21 pm

I wouldn't rely on CDs for long term storage. They are already archaic. CDs only hold 650mb to 700mb. A 1tb hard drive costs around £40 which holds 1000000mb.

There is really enough plastic in the world already. Just keep your data on the cloud and on a couple of new-ish hard drives, preferably from different manufacturers.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:42 pm

Jadoube wrote:I live in a very dry part of Canada and the very first CD-R I burned still plays. Was branded "Yamaha" but I'm sure they didn't make it.


I recently found what must have been one of my earliest ever CD-Rs. It was branded TDK and the date on the jewel case inlay was July 1996. Stuck it in my Apple external CD-RW drive and it played without any discernible hiccup. That's 22 years after I burned it.
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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby Martin Walker » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:15 pm

Ironically I also today loaded a CD-R backup disk that I burned in 2000, and it worked perfectly after 18 years 8-)


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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ConcertinaChap » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:31 pm

johnny h wrote:I wouldn't rely on CDs for long term storage.

So far as I am aware not one single person on this thread has seriously advocated using CDRs for long term (or even short term) storage in 2018. Not sure why people keep banging on about it, quite honestly.

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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby ManFromGlass » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:40 am

wouldn't the interpretation of the phrase "long term storage" be relative to one's age?
(not to be too gruesome. . .. )
Heck - CD-Rs might be just the ticket for my long term needs!

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Re: Good CD-Rs?

Postby redlester » Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:30 pm

[quote="Hugh Robjohns"] ...there is already very little demand from the young generation. They are heavily conditioned -- and content -- to access their music from online streaming services, and increasingly the same is happening with video too as highspeed broadband connections are an expected utility. Netflix, Amazon Video, Virgin etc are mainstream content providers, and most people I know spend much more time sourcing films and TV programmes online than they do from Bluray or DVD.[/quote]

I regularly have this discussion with my stepdaughter (aged 30) who simply cannot fathom why I won't pay Spotify and Netflix to stream music and video.

She can't get her head round me wanting to own and control my own library, even though most of my CD's are in the cellar - I have no problem with ripping them to disc, in fact I prefer it. Recently I've taken to buying music off Amazon in mp3 download format, but I will never use streaming services. I just can't bear the thought of having to access a library stocked by some faceless company rather than have my own library.

I think I should have been a librarian!
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