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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Valvesound » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:14 pm

hahaha well it seems Mr Sunny Mail has been a busy boy!

I recently listed a Keyboard for sale and yesterday received this email

"Hello seller,



I am an engineer based in Ireland . I deal with used merchandises, I saw your advert on the internet, and i must tell you that i am really interested. I want to know the present working condition for it. Please do go ahead and tell me the present condition and the {least price} that it will be sold for. Also I ll appreciate if you could send me pictures for it.



Get back to me quickly to avoid further delay in the purchase, you don't need to worry about the shipment to my location as my shippers are ready to come for the pick-up once payment as been confirmed by you.



Get back to me Via My Private Email Address: engr_sunnymail@yahoo.co.uk



Regards



Engr Sunny Mail"




I thought it sounded quite suspect So i googled the email address, it brought up this page of interest http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/MegaBBS/thread-view.asp?threadid=9325&start=1

see the bottom post... Location, NIGERIA :headbang:
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby gzaq » Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:25 pm

This one is on ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330167885870&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014

maybe genuine, but seller has 0 feedback and its too cheap for a Korg Oasys...

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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Valvesound » Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:00 am

gzaq wrote:This one is on ebay right now

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330167885870&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=014

maybe genuine, but seller has 0 feedback and its too cheap for a Korg Oasys...

dunno

I think its very plausible for the seller to be new. many people only sign up when they want to sell something like that
and the cheap price just reflects the bidders not the seller

So he\she seems genuine to me
BUT there is one thing for sure.. regardless of whether the seller has 0 or 1000 feedback points i would only pay that kind of money in person when collecting the item
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby TAKEN.BALL.GONE.HOME » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:11 pm

I thought this topic was meant to be a sticky..?

Anyway, I can't help feeling this Jonathan Griffiths now listing on ebay UK is dodgy - look at registration date and transactions completed.
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Re: Active Scammer in Readers Ads!!

Postby jtcoops » Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:05 am

Ronnie Wibbley wrote:Hello all - I'm selling a few things on the site at the moment and wondered what the situation is regarding Paypal payments. I've heard of the payments being reversed after goods have been sent, leaving sellers high and dry - could someone enlighten me about how this works, and what I should do to cover myself?

Cheers

Ron


This happened to me. A client of mine wanted to pay for some goods via paypal and did so. £1,000 worth. 3 months later, Paypal send me an email to say they have reversed the transaction, taking £1,000 straight out of my bank account (I have a full Paypal account). The buyer had reported the transaction as a fraud.

Luckily I tracked the bloke down, and he had forgotten he had used paypal, and didnt recognise the entry on his credit card statement so queried it.

Paypal took 3% fee on both the first transaction and the reversal leaving me £60 out of pocket. No apologies no opportunity to defend the accusation.

Now I dont do anything on Paypal over £300. Its more hassle than its worth.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby GLENN » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:03 am

160180006225 hes selling the elektron drum machine and synth but has no genuine pics.
He wont do cash on delivery through a reputable company!
Be cautious.
I think i will just pay the extra for a new one as paypal just cant be trusted to give money back if he dont deliver.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby forumuser646589 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 5:19 pm

I got this one two days ago:

From: arini4dickson@yahoo.com

Good Morning
how are you today? I saw your advert on the (soundonsound)WEBSITE and am interested in buying do update me on the final asking price and new picture and if is still available for sale,thanks and stay bless.
Regards
Richard Dickson

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Arini4dickson@yahoo.com

+447024051693
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Re: Active Scammer in Readers Ads!!

Postby Ronnie Wibbley » Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:57 pm

jtcoops wrote:A client of mine wanted to pay for some goods via paypal and did so. £1,000 worth. 3 months later, Paypal send me an email to say they have reversed the transaction, taking £1,000 straight out of my bank account (I have a full Paypal account). The buyer had reported the transaction as a fraud.

Luckily I tracked the bloke down, and he had forgotten he had used paypal, and didnt recognise the entry on his credit card statement so queried it.

Paypal took 3% fee on both the first transaction and the reversal leaving me £60 out of pocket. No apologies no opportunity to defend the accusation.

Now I dont do anything on Paypal over £300. Its more hassle than its worth.

I've just spotted this! If this can happen any time it's outrageous... you could never be sure you weren't simply going to have money removed from your account.

On another note, I have heard lots of horror stories about buyers getting scammed by sellers insisting on Western Union payments, but what about if a buyer insists on paying by WU? (Just for the correct amount, no inflated amounts etc.) Is this a possible area for scamming? Someone in Europe has just offered to pay for one of my Ebay sales by WU, saying that their bank will not let him open a Paypal account. I have refused to accept the payment, as it seems suspicious, but can't work out the mechanics of any scam that would operate in this way.

Any ideas?
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby leslawrenson » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:03 pm

Ronnie, it does sound dodgy to me.

I would insist on this person paying the funds directly into your bank account by BACs payment, and then you wait for the monies to clear into your account.

I recently sent the sum of £75,000 to an account in the US, and it cleared after about 5 days. I sent the monies in pounds sterling, which means that the recipient's bank would have charged him to convert to dollars. The reverse would happen for you, if the buyer sent the monies in his native currency, which then had to be converted to pounds sterling.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Guy Johnson » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:27 pm

This is apparently a new scam involving Visa cards. I have pasted it below:



This one is pretty slick since they provide Y O U with all the information,
except the one piece they want.
Note, the callers do not ask for your card number; they already have
it. This information is worth reading. By understanding how the VISA &
MasterCard Telephone Credit Card Scam works, you'll be better prepared to
protect yourself.


One of our employees was called on Wednesday from "VISA", and I was called
on Thursday from "MasterCard".


The scam works like this: Person calling says, "This is (name), and I'm
calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA. My badge number is
12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual purchase pattern, and I'm
calling to verify. This would be on your VISA card which was issued by
(name of bank) did you purchase an Anti-Telemarketing Device for £497.99
from a Marketing company based in London?" When you say "No", the caller
continues with, "Then we will be issuing a credit to your account. This is
a company we have been watching and the charges range from £297 to £497,
just under the £500 purchase pattern that flags most cards. Before your
next statement, the credit will be sent to (gives you your address), is
that correct?"


You say "yes". The caller continues - "I will be starting a fraud
investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 0800 number
listed on the back of your card (0800-VISA) and ask for Security.


You will need to refer to this Control Number. The caller then gives you a
6 digit number. "Do you need me to read it again?"


Here's the IMPORTANT part on how the scam works the caller then says, "I
need to verify you are in possession of your card." He'll ask you to "turn
your card over and look for some numbers." There are 7 numbers; the first
4 are part of your card number, the next 3 are the security numbers that
verify you are the possessor of the card. These are the numbers you
sometimes use to make Internet purchases to prove you have the card. The
caller will ask you to read the 3 numbers to him. After you tell the
caller the 3 numbers, he'll say, "That is correct, I just needed to verify
that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you still have your
card. Do you have any other questions?" After you say, "No," the caller
then thanks you and states, "Don't hesitate to call back if you do", and
hangs up.


You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card
number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we called back within 20
minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA Security
Department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase
of £497.99 was charged to our card.


Long story - short - we made a real fraud report and closed the VISA
account. VISA is reissuing us a new number. What the scammers want is the
3-digit PIN number on the back of the card. Don't give it to
them. Instead, tell them you'll call VISA or MasterCard directly for
verification of their conversation. The real VISA told us that they will
never ask for anything on the card as they already know the information
since they issued the card! If you give the scammers your 3 Digit PIN
Number, you think you're receiving a credit. However, by the time you get
your statement you'll see charges for purchases you didn't make, and by
then it's almost too late and/or more difficult to actually file a fraud
report.


What makes this more remarkable is that on Thursday, I got a call from a
"Jason Richardson of MasterCard" with a word-for-word repeat of the VISA
scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up! We filed a police
report, as instructed by VISA. The police said they are taking several of
these reports daily! They also urged us to tell everybody we know that
this scam is happening .


Please pass this on to all your family and friends. By informing each
other, we protect each other.



Regards
Dave Newton
Card Specialist

Johnson Controls Products UK
72 Buckingham Avenue
Slough
SL1 4PN
Phone 01753 870306
Fax. 0870 889 5664
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby TAKEN.BALL.GONE.HOME » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:42 pm

Slick as it is, the alarm bells should start ringing when you receive the unsolicited call purporting to your bank, phone company, utility company, insurer,...

As soon as someone calls you and tries to get you to verify your identity, ask "have they proven themselves to me yet?" I have had this argument with three different companies who, acting in our mutual interest, have challenged me for credentials after they called me. I think that paves the way for these confidence tricks!
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby leslawrenson » Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:17 pm

I'm with Jimi on this one.

Never give confidential information out over the phone unless you have made the call. I regularly conduct banking matters over the phone, where I have called my bank to confirm that transactions have occurred. Naturally, they ask confidential questions so that they can verify my identity.

But on a few occasions I have been called by persons claiming to work for "this or that" company, and they have asked me to disclose confidential information, and I have told them to take a hike.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby CROangel » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:50 pm

As requested, i shall put what happened to me here:

Probably the worst week in my life. I thought it was gonna be the best but it turns out opposite. Anyway,

been searchin for Virus synth for a long time now and i found a great deal at Trance.nu, where some guy offers Virus C for 400 euro. So, i contact the guy, he gave me his msn so we could deal this.

I asked him about the virus, he said its old for three years, mint condition, been like 30 percent of time in use, 70 percent in rack. Everything nice and really, he did seem like a nice guy. He even said to pop in few jacks and Vengeance soundsets.

Next, he told me if i could pay in advance over Western Union and right away, so he wil pay shipment, and he will send it to me as a gift so i dont have to pay any taxes or other [ ****** ] (because then it would come up 650 euro for croatia) and i said great. I went to a local bank with my mother, did all the stuff, sent him the money, came home i gave him the number which he uses to take the money. He says ok, that he will go and send virus now and that it will ship on monday. I said great.

After that he was not on MSN for two days, it was a bit stinky for me so i googled his email adress. I found him on several other forums with different locations in his profile, russia, norway, france, etc etc...my stomach started to work a bit but i thought i was just imagining things. So finally next day he came on msn, in the morning, i sent him message right away and u guess, he doesnt reply to me for whole day.

So then, i googled his name....and i found things which i never hoped to find. Few blogs and sites saying that this prick is a cheat and that he cheated many people, from all over the world. I just coudnt believe my fukin eyes. here are few posts:

http://www.zooloomusic.com/

''got ripped off for a bunch of hard earned money and am feeling pretty dumb about it... warning to anyone reading this ... There is a right royal Estonian **** called Juri Kerbo who I wish the fleas of a thousand camels to infest his armpits and groin area... bless him! If you're googling that name and you're reading this post... do not deal with this wanker, he is a scammer and a low life... and I firmly believe what goes around comes around... so one day he'll get his and when he does, he'll think of all the people he ripped off, bastard!.... well that felt good to get off my chest.

As you can imagine this has really shaken my faith in hanity and my desire to do anything musical... but these are returning slowly, although I'll never trust someone who appears to be legit again.... note to self, just because they talk the talk ....
''

U have to copy paste this link in explorer:
http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?type=normal&thread_id=6325 4&lastdays= 2000&

[ ****** ] hell. Bought a Virus C (or so I thought) on the Harmony Central classifieds, from a guy in Estonia, though not even sure if that's true. Anyway, he has the ad up, along with one for a Jupe 8. I drop an email initally about the Virus C, which he says is still available. I email back saying I'm interested, and is the Jupe also still available. He tells me the Jupe has sold - I take this as a good sign, as if he's a scammer, surely he'd try and sting me for both synths. He sends a pic of the Virus, which seems legit - a quick shufty on Google images doesn't come up with the same image, so it's unlikely he's just whipped it off the net. I also query the voltage, and he says it's on 220v - 240v.

So, I transfer over $500 USD, plus charges, which comes to £300 GBP in the end - a good price for a Virus, which I was planning on selling on in the UK to get a bit of money to live on over this semester.

This was last weekend, so the money has probably just cleared into the guys account. I dropped an email last night - normally he's pretty quick responding but as yet no answer.

I read the HC complaints section to see if I could spot this guy before buying, and did a search on his name on there (vco.osc) and nothing came up. Having just had a browse though now, I find this...

"I sent $700can to a guy who says his name is yuri kerbo from norway. Which im guessing is a fake id hes using to collect wired cash.....hes got 2 postings on your classifieds one for an mc 909 which he claims to have sent me....and now is not returning my emails a virus c is also in that ad. There is a new one he posted the other day for some new synth.... his email he is using is kentorange@hotmail.com search for it in the synth section. He even went through the trouble of sending me a bunk tracking number phone number and adress....I am from canada so, I set up a bunk hotmail from sacremento california under a different name and asked to buy both of the synths he had advertized in the same ad (one of which he already supposedly sold me) and he gave me a price for both of them!!!

I wish I could get him to go to the moneygram (that is the payment system he uses) vthinking that he was gonna get that money and have the cops snag him.... but thats entrapment DAMMIT!...Oh well for some reason hes not answering the emails i sent him asking where my 909 is but he is still postingon your site and trying to sell my alter email ego the 909 he already sold ME!!! I wish there was a way to get this bastard! Oh well ....theres your HEADS UP!"

Suprisingly (or not) the name I transfered the money to was Kerbo Juri...

I wish there was a way to contact the people who post complaints on HC so I could get in touch with the other guy who got ripped off, find out what the situation is.

[ ****** ] pissed off now... was kinda relying on that money for uni. Worked my ass off for it too.

One day, we will meet...





I feel same as these guys, stupid, pathetic, ripped off, i have no faith, nor will for anything, dont wanna produce, i dotn wanna do anything anymore...i am dissapointed! I have all his details but i dont know what to do:

Account holder: Juri Kerbo

My account number is: 3356 6717 0006

My IBAN account number: EE 9333 0033 5667 1700 06

Bank name is: Sampo Bank

My phone is: + 372 58 066 349

Adress of my bank:

Narva mnt. street 11 (street)

15015 (zip)

Tallinn (city)

SWIFT: FORE EE 2X (swift code)

My adress: 12 Laki street, apt. 45

400 Euro is big money for me, i have worked a lot for it and i am just a student. I think i will contact the rest of these guys, we might team up and do something. I am pissed of...

What do u think? Any suggestions? Should i just forget it and move on or stop this, because many other people might get ripped of, and many worked hard for their money...I still cant believe this!

Thx for reading

And also, i saw another member here (the one from my 2nd quote) got tricked at about same time as me. Fizzo guy, he was tricked 2007/2008 at Christmas time, also Virus C, this is his post from this forum:

This is another post from Fizmo guy who got cheated, and woudnt u believe, he was tricked somewhere at the same time as me but last year, around Christmas!





''Well seeing as the mob is baying for a righteous lynching, I had a charming Estonian gentleman by the name of Juri Kerbo relieve me of $500 just before Christmas. He was supposed to send me a Virus C, but I'm assuming he forgot that part. He really is a forgetful chap, as there's a lot of other people who he's forgotten to post this Virus to.

His phone number ( ) is 56 300 239 (Estonian), and he seems to have several emails...

oscknob@yahoo.com
vbajandin@dynanet-eu.ee
draxx@mail.ru
kentorange@hotmail.com
vco.filter@gmail.com

He seems to know about synths, and he even sent me a photo of the Virus which looked genuine.

Now if only he'll come on here saying he forgot to post it, and offering a refund...

I've been onto the local police about it, my bank, and his bank, but I'm sat here with the guy's bank details and phone number, but no one wants to do anything. It's maddening.''
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby J. Matthews » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:20 pm

You can trace all the emails using the headers of the email. See this page.

http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/qt/ipaddressemail.htm

You can find out where this person really is from that, but thats all. You wont get your money back. Do some research, you might even get an exact location such as a university or an airport.

http://www.private.org.il/IP2geo.html

Joe 8-)
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby CROangel » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:26 pm

I have done EVERYTHING thats is in my power, and i mean EVERYTHING! Now... i can wait. Il keep u guys up to date....cheers and Merry X-Mas to SOS and all members!

To be continued....
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