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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Raystrack » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:37 am

To stop annnoying and dangerous mails, I've found SpamEater Pro 4 from High Mountain Software to be invaluable. You can see the message and delete it without having to download it to your PC.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Stoney » Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:49 pm

I think as a rule, just ignore any email with sufficiently dodgy grammar.... :D

I'm surprised no-one has set up an intermediary company for online transactions... They take receipt of the goods and release them to buyer once the money clears - else they return the goods.

Does this exist? If not, why not? :headbang:
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby TAKEN.BALL.GONE.HOME » Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:23 pm

Stoney wrote:I'm surprised no-one has set up an intermediary company for online transactions... They take receipt of the goods and release them to buyer once the money clears - else they return the goods.

Does this exist? If not, why not? :headbang:
You mean ESCROW? Like this?
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Stoney » Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:46 pm

Cool - thanks. Yeah I thought it was a pretty obvious solution....

It can't be that widely used then can it?? Or at least, it has failed to become the de facto standard for internet transactions. Otherwise these scams would cease surely? - any idea why?
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:51 pm

Here at SOS we did investigate the concept of us becoming an escrow service, but it would have involved us in becoming compliant with Financial Services Authority (FSA) rules and that was a whole load of admin hoops we simply do not have time or inclination to jump through -- even if they would accept us!!!

The escrow.com site is based in USA and is seemingly governed by USA regualtions, see footer on their site:

All US dollar escrow services offered on this Website are provided independently and exclusively by Internet Escrow Services(SM) (IES), one of the operating subsidiaries of Escrow.com. IES is fully licensed and accredited as an escrow company and is subject to compliance with all applicable escrow regulations, including the California Financial and Business Code.

There's nothing stopping you asking a Readers Ads seller if they will accept such a service, but since it takes a cut of the action, and there's probably someone else always willing to deal direct, it means take-up of escrow has been less than everyone would think in this scam-soaked internet world.

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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby TAKEN.BALL.GONE.HOME » Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:16 pm

I made some tentative enquiries of escrow.com a while back. I found the whole user experience to be too dollarised and US-centric to give me a warm cosy feeling. I think there was an issue about using their preferred courier too, which was US-based IIRC. If they or someone like them would set up a truly EU-based service then it might seem more attractive - to me at least.

Incidentally, Ian, I was involved in the creation of a non-profit FSA-regulated limited company a few years ago - and it was not especially difficult to do. All the same, I guess it would be much easier to focus on what you do best and 'outsource the rest' as they say :)
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Stoney » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:50 am

Fancy setting up a company Jimi? ;)
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby www.OliverDavisMusic.co.uk » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:40 pm

Hi,

Just been playing along with our latest scammer.
He wanted my SH-2000 synth - was going to send cheque for £3500 bla bla bla....

Here are some details from the mail.
It is so easy to spot a scammer but some people have too much trust in others!


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Hello,

Thanks for the mail respones.I will be interested in
the item i will urge you to get back to me with the
price so that i can make payment to you asap.

Regards..
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Thanks for the mail respones.The condition is okay by
me and the price,i do appreciate your effort in
considering the item sold to me.Just to let you know
that i will through cheque once it clears the pickup
will be made.
Am out for an assignment outside UK at the moment do
accept my sincere appology just to speed up the
payment and shippment i have contacted my client to
make out the payment to you.You will be receiving a
payment of £3,500 from my client in which you will
have to let it clear, after clearance you will deduct
the cost of your(SH-2000 Vintage Synth) £230 and have
the
rest of the fund send to my shipper.
This shipping agent will be the one that will be
handling the shippment of the (SH-2000 Vintage Synth)
and
other consignment in which they will be helping me in
shipping out of the UK.The rest of the fund is meant
for the shipping Fees and Tax Levy that will be impose
on every consignment.I will be needing your assistance
in helping me to send the fund to them so that pickup
can commence immedaitely.Await your Details such as(
Name on Cheque,Contact Address and Phone Number) so
that the payment can be send out to you asap.
In order to speed up this transaction i have consider
to compensate you with £30,do inform
other buyer that the item is sold already.

Best regards..

07024079053


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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby ThunderBall » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:10 pm

Yes I had one today,I presume its the same Idiot You had seeing as the Phone number is exact

From: stmitgay8@yahoo.com

Dear Seller,
How are you today? Compliment of the season.I will like to know if the item above you listed on the ads is till up for sale.Do get back to me with the price along with the photo,hope the condition is in good shape.
Await your respones.
Regards..

07024079053





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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby MrSoup » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:59 pm

"Gary Peterson" stmitgay8@yahoo.com sent me this:

Hello,

Thanks for the mail respones.The condition is okay by
me and the price,i do appreciate your effort in
considering the item sold to me.Just to let you know
that i will through cheque once it clears the pickup
will be made.
Am out for an assignment outside UK at the moment do
accept my sincere appology just to speed up the
payment and shippment i have contacted my client to
make out the payment to you.You will be receiving a
payment of £3,000 from my client in which you will
have to let it clear, after clearance you will deduct
the cost of your (Microphones) £115 and have the rest
of the fund send to my shipper.
This shipping agent will be the one that will be
handling the shippment of the (Microphones) and other
consignment in which they will be helping me in
shipping out of the UK.The rest of the fund is meant
for the shipping Fees and Tax Levy that will be impose
on every consignment.I will be needing your assistance
in helping me to send the fund to them so that pickup
can commence immedaitely.Await your Details such as(
Name on Cheque,Contact Address and Phone Number) so
that the payment can be send out to you asap.
In order to speed up this transaction i have consider
to compensate you with £30,do inform other buyer that
the item is sold already.

Best regards..

07024079053
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Stoney » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:22 pm

I think as a rule, ignore anyone that puts "I will" instead of "I would" :headbang:
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Jez Corbett » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:19 pm

Hi - I just had a glance through this thread out of curiosity and just noticed something I'm not sure anyone has pointed out:

070 numbers are NOT mobile phone numbers! They are premium rate numbers, which can charge up to £1.50 a minute!

I guess any mention of such a number should be an immediate flag as to it being a scam.
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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby leslawrenson » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:10 pm

Hi, everyone!

I've been following this thread with interest. As someone who regularly buys music gear from both the SOS site and from Ebay, I have been the target of countless scammers. And being a solicitor by day I have found it extremely interesting how these fraudsters attempt to operate. The scam that seems to be rife on the SOS site simply exploits a loophole in the banking system, whereby a cheque will be seen to clear your account but not actually clear (it's all down to the entering of credits and debits in your account vs the time lag in monies actually being paid into or taken from your account). Why on earth the banking system does not get its act together to close this loophole down, I'll never know, especially with the highened concerns with money laundering and the use of the banking system for the purposes of sponsoring terrorism.

Anyway, this is the loophole that the fraudster is aiming to take advantage of, and why he will pay you a larger sum than you require. The idea is, that you pay the fraudster the balance before your bank discovers that the cheque presented to it (by you) is made of rubber. It used to be called the Nigerian scam, and many of the fraudsters using this particular scam do appear to originate from Africa. Yahoo accounts and Western Union cheques seem to offer the greatest anonimity to fraudsters, so be extremely wary of dealing with anyone who uses either of these. I personally would not buy from or sell to anyone who insists on using Western Union.

There are a lot of nasty little scams out there, especially on Ebay. I've made it my mission to collect them and explain them to the public. Please do visit Ebay and have a look at my Safe Buying: Scams And Scammers article in the Review & Guides section.

This thread is great, and we should all strive to keep it runnng, as I know that many people will continue to stumble across it and be thankful that they did!

Keep vigilant, people. Oh, yeah - and try to keep making music!

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Re: Ebay and Readers Ads Scam Alerts.

Postby Peter Conz Connelly » Thu Mar 01, 2007 2:31 pm

Not quite a hardcore scammer like most of these in this sticky, but definately worth a mention. Check THIS Link

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