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Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Darclinc » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:31 am

Hi All,

A guy round my way is selling his entire synth collection, and some of them are going really cheap ! I won’t necessarily buy anything, but I want to get in early, if there's anything worth having. As it stands, I'm not that au fait with this old technology, so perhaps some people on here could offer advice on which of these units are really worth it nowadays, and for what reason. Also, anything I should look out for on kit like this would be greatly appreciated.

His list :

Roland D50
Yamaha DX7 Mk2
Korg M1
Roland SH101
Korg R3
Roland Juno 106
Roland Juno 60
Roland JD800
Roland Jx10 Superjx Vintage Analog synth
Roland Juno 1
Roland Pg1000 controller for D50
Roland Pg800 Rare Controller for JX10 and JX8
Korg Poly 800 Hybrid Synth
Casio Privia 400 88 weighted Keys
Digitech Vocalist2
Fairlight CMI series 3
Casio VZ1
Korg Minikorg 700 Circa 1973
Serato Live
Roland TR 909
Roland TR 505
Roland TR 626
Roland BR 870
Roland CR-8000
Roland R5

Any advice appreciated.

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Sam Inglis » Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:35 am

Lucky you!

Most of the Roland stuff on that list is pretty desirable, apart perhaps from the 505, 626, T5 and BR870. The Minikorg is very much worth having too. The Fairlight may be something of a collector's item these days.

If you decide you don't want the Minikorg, PM me...
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Darclinc » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:08 am

Thanks for the advice, Sam.

I should probably point out that I live in Cape Town, South Africa, which I'm sure changes your perspective a bit !

I'm definitely going to see this guy I reckon ...

Cheers,

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby The Elf » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:19 am

WOW! :shock:

Of those, the ones I’d definitely pick up would be:

Roland D50
Yamaha DX7 Mk2
Korg M1
Roland SH101
Roland Juno 106
Roland Juno 60
Roland JD800
Roland PG800
Korg Minikorg
Roland TR 909

Of the rest I’d definitely not want:
Korg R3
Roland Juno 1
Roland PG1000
Casio Privia
Digitech Vocalist
Fairlight
Roland TR 505
Roland TR 626

If any of that stuff remains unloved then drop me a PM – my studio just isn’t quite full enough yet! :D
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Sam Inglis » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:32 am

Well, if it's cheap enough there would be plenty of people in the UK happy to pay to have things shipped from SA!
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Darclinc » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:34 am

Hi,

Geez, that's a lot you'd like to pick up !

I was more thinking of getting just one, perhaps ...

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Darclinc » Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:37 am

Must say, I'm quite liking the idea of the SH-101. Just watching a Yuteboob video of it.

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Michael Dow » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:13 pm

The sh101 or the juno 60 for sure.

I've got a juno 60 and i use it in the studio sometimes for nice analogue sounds and it comes to all our gigs. Ive been after a 101 for years, but always been happy knowing that i have an sh-09 which while it doesnt have the arp, it does (apparently) sound much nicer.

I really do want the 101 though! haha Would be mint to hook it up to my juno, 606, 303 and sh-09 and have them all playing with each other, ive done it before and its amazing
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby The Elf » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:23 pm

Darclinc wrote:Geez, that's a lot you'd like to pick up !

I was more thinking of getting just one, perhaps ...
Well, it would depend on price, obviously. I already have a lot of stuff on that list, so can vouch for them. If it had to be one only my choice would be the JD-800.
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby SecretSam » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:30 pm

I spend a lot of time there, too.

Might be interested in some of this if the prices are OK ...
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby vinyl_junkie » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:32 pm

I don't get it Elf you would pick up the D-50 but not the PG-1000? :? Man the D-50 with the PG would be the bomb, no more menu diving.
Personaly I would pick everything up other than the DX-7mk2 and Serato Live lol TR-909, SH-101 ahhhh dream machines
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby The Elf » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:45 pm

vinyl_junkie wrote:I don't get it Elf you would pick up the D-50 but not the PG-1000? :? Man the D-50 with the PG would be the bomb, no more menu diving.

The PG-1000 is a piece of junk IMO. It represents the epitomy of poor design.

The fact it has to be plugged into the *MIDI ports* just beggars belief! And you can't find anywhere to put it - we had to put velcro on it and balance it on the end of a keyboard stand. And, since it had no dedicated port, the stupid thing even needed a power cable! :headbang:

Compare that with the elegant simplicity of the PG-800, which had a dedicated editor port on the synth, and even had magnetic strips to enable it to sit happily aboard the synth - as it did on my JX-8P for many years. One cable, no MIDI ports clogged up, no power requirement - job done.

There are plenty of D-50/550 software editors - if I was trying to program my D-550 (which I find little need to do these days) I'd hunt one down.
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby vinyl_junkie » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:53 pm

Ah I didn't know that about the PG-1000, I thought it would of had it's own dedicated port like on my JX-3P but then my Juno 1 doesn't have a dedicated port for the PG either
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Tomás Mulcahy » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:33 pm

Personally I'd prefer a 106 to a 101 or a 60. All very simple synths that sound really great. Perfect for a beginner.

The Juno 106 and 60 are pretty much the same synth, the 106 has a slight difference in the way the LPF/HPF slider is wired into the audio path, so the 60 has a bass boost, the 106 doesn't. Nothing you couldn't do with simple eq. For MIDI the 106 is superior, every slider and switch sends sysex. Personally, I could live without the arpegiator in the 60.

The 101 is functionally the same as the 60, except that its monophonic. It has a different sound because there are Curtis chips in there. The other two are all Roland chips.

The D50 has a really great sound, but is a pig to program. There are so many patches available on the net though, it's worth getting a librarian program to make your own "best of". Personally I'd go for the rack, the keyboard has issues and takes up space.

I would like a Fairlight too, but I'm a bit bonkers when it comes to those things :)
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby ken long » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:03 pm

I love my 106. Easy and effective. Sounds are just OK and the Chorus is very noisy. But you can coax quite a bit out of it.

Doesn't the 60 have balanced outs or am I thinking of the JP8?

The 101 is great but a bit of a one trick pony for bass. Although I can get some nice percussive sounds including a full 808 kit minus the cowbell (and maybe some of those toms).

PG-800 is fantastic with a JX-3P. Used it many times. Very tactile but also very sensitive.

Can you get prices for each item so we can better recommend?

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby The Elf » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:36 pm

ken long wrote:Doesn't the 60 have balanced outs or am I thinking of the JP8?
It's the JP8 that has balanced outs (the MKS-80 does too).

I enjoyed my Juno 6 at the time I had it, but I realised even then that it sounded a bit 'plastic'. That's fine in itself, but a bit much when you aspire to a broader pallette. Once you get to hear the likes of a Jupiter, Prophet or Oberheim poly there's simply no going back. ;)
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby The Elf » Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:38 pm

ken long wrote:PG-800 is fantastic with a JX-3P. Used it many times. Very tactile but also very sensitive.
Is that a typo, Ken? I thought only the PG-300 worked with the JX-3P? Is there some level of cross-compatibility?
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby ken long » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:09 pm

Oops! It is a typo but not the 300 - the 200

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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Tomás Mulcahy » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:09 pm

Ya, the 6, 60 and 106 are limited, but what they can do they do well, and with great ease. I think they can sound expensive, but that's because you hear them on so many records. One way to fatten them up is to layer them, via MIDI and multitracking- which is exactly what they did on those records!
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Re: Vintage Synth advice sought

Postby Original Jambo » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:00 pm

Tomás Mulcahy wrote:The Juno 106 and 60 are pretty much the same synth, the 106 has a slight difference in the way the LPF/HPF slider is wired into the audio path, so the 60 has a bass boost, the 106 doesn't.

Don't mean to be pedantic but I'm pretty sure it's the 106 that makes use of the bass boost circuit when the high-pass filter is at its lowest setting:

http://sequence15.blogspot.com/2008/10/why-does-juno-60-sound-different-from.html

Also the fact that the 106 VCF/VCA chips fail so often is another reason why many may favour the 6/60.
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