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Postby Guest » Mon May 05, 2008 6:59 pm

I had no idea where to post this so I stuck it in the first forum!

Any other forumites suffer from tinnitus? I have had a slight ringing for years but recently it has taken a more serious turn. Now along with the ringing my left ear has become very sensitive. Any moderate to loud noise and I can actually feel my ear drum pounding and it bloody hurts.

I have resorted to sticking cotton wool in my ear to dampen the sound down and will be popping down the doctors tommorrow to have a chat.

Anyone else had it get to this stage where the eardrum becomes very sensitive?
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 7:07 pm

cotton wool is a big no no,
get some proper ear plugs,
alpine ones are only about £13.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby _.jk._ » Mon May 05, 2008 7:30 pm

sounds bad, do people without tinitus use ear plugs when mixing anyway?

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 7:32 pm

are we talking mixing live sound?
yeah i do, saves me actually getting tinnitus
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby _.jk._ » Mon May 05, 2008 7:34 pm

I was talking mixing within a studio.

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 7:36 pm

in a studio!?!?!
your monitoring so loud you need to wear earplugs?
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Mike Craig » Mon May 05, 2008 7:42 pm

Anyone who is suffering from Tinitus or any other strange sensations within the ear should go straight to their doctor.

The first time you/anyone experiences this ringing sensation is a warning that the levels are too high.

Get yourself to your GP Imran, and keep the levels down from now on.

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby _.jk._ » Mon May 05, 2008 7:46 pm

nope, but thats why iw as asking! just seeing if anyone did, paranoid people maybe?

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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Tímo » Mon May 05, 2008 7:55 pm

Kempo wrote:I was talking mixing within a studio.


Defeats the object? :headbang:

Nearfields are supposedly called so because they are for accurate close-range listening at low volume levels. I guess you shouldn't get tinnitus from nearfields if you use them properly, unless they're unduly turned up overly high for long periods.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby JonR » Mon May 05, 2008 8:43 pm

I have had fairly intrusive tinnitus for about 6 years now. Over that time I have hit some real lows.

It happened overnight after I flew twice in one day with a bad cold. I have seen lots of ENT specialists and I am afraid that I am stuck with it.

I always prided myself on the quality of my hearing and was deeply involved in production and mixing albeit at an amateur / fun level.

I had lots of nice audio toys and a lovely Naim Audio hifi which cost more than the average car. I got rid of it all during a particularly depressed period. I can't help tormenting myself by desiring the audio toys which used to make me so happy and flip flop between denial and depression.

I can't really listen to music for very long as the ringing is very intrusive and seems to get worse if I hear anything with a decent dynamic range. I keep telling myself that I will give it all up and have several times got rid of almost all of my music kit but I end up buying more and starting again.

I am going through a positive period again and am having fun with Cubase 4, NI Komplete 4, Event Monitors, Focusrite Twintrak Pro and an Audiofire 8.

I still get a kick out of understanding the process of recording and quality audio and have recently been reading Mastering Audio by Bob Katz. It is a bit like a blind man enjoying art but it keeps me happy :-) I also still subscribe to SOS which is a real pleasure to read each month.

I have fun working on compositions using this equipment but I work fairly quietly and carefully as my hearing suffers frequent threshold shifts and I am scared of making things worse.

Thankfully I have a very fulfilling family life and career otherwise I really don't know how I would cope with the loss of music in my life.

I am sorry if this reads like a depressing rant so on a positive note I can say that I take a lot of pleasure from the process of composing music and greatly enjoy playing my wonderful 1988 vintage Wal Custom bass and my Fender strat.

Look after your ears, once they are gone that's it!
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Mon May 05, 2008 9:07 pm

Cheers for the replies and sorry to hear some of the stories.

It's a bit of a blow because for the first time in my life I am actually on the verge of having everything I need - no excuses - to a) record everything in my head and b) achieve a good level of sound quality.

So can you still do a decent mix with earplugs? I haven't actually touched the music setup since this problem started because I wanted to speak to a doctor first.

I've played in bands in the past, been to loads of gigs and not given it a second thought. Allied to loud I-Pod useage and blasting the monitors it shouldn't really be a massive suprise that it's all gone pear shaped.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby SanFranCrisko » Mon May 05, 2008 9:20 pm

Hi Imran,

I am convinced my hearing has deteriorated and at night I have a hissing noise in my ears. During the day I am OK, except I find it hard to understand people sometimes. My friend had a custom built pair of earplugs made for £130 or so when he began to experience tinnitus. Ridiculous price but he says it's neccesary because of all the live sound he does. They reduce the overall sound by -20dB, most of that in the damaging bass section, so if anything you can hear the mid to highs better.

If you're beginning to get the symptoms of tinnitus now take every precaution to protect your ears. The worse it gets, the more stressed you get about it and the more stressed you are the worse the symptoms become. Before you know it you're in a vicious circle.

Take the advice above: if you're working in live sound you MUST protect your ears.

Best wishes,

Ciaran.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 9:35 pm

is it the bass freq that damage your hearing?
i always thought it was high freq?
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby SanFranCrisko » Mon May 05, 2008 9:37 pm

Any loud sounds but bass is usually boosted to really high levels in clubs etc... Sorry, should've made that clear.
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 9:49 pm

having a positive attitude about it helps,
i find if im stressed its more prominent and if i think about it its more prominent
a friend of mine who says he studied the alexandra technique says he doesnt get it now as hes learnt to relax the muscles.
not sure if its true but seems to have worked for him
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Sam R » Mon May 05, 2008 9:56 pm

SanFranCrisko wrote:My friend had a custom built pair of earplugs made for £130 or so when he began to experience tinnitus. Ridiculous price but he says it's neccesary because of all the live sound he does. They reduce the overall sound by -20dB, most of that in the damaging bass section, so if anything you can hear the mid to highs better.

Aye, my drum teacher wears a pair of these if they're the ones i'm thinking of.
They cut more of the high end off the sound so that high, loud sounds that his ears are subjected to (snare drum and hi-hats specifically) don't have such a negative effect. IIRC you can get different grades of these earplugs, with reduction in different parts of the spectrum.

When you go to see your GP, they will check your ears for excessive buildup of wax too, because the loss of hearing could just be because you have some stuck resting up again your ear drum. Then you have to get them syringed. But that's always fun :)
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Mon May 05, 2008 10:02 pm

I hope it's as simple as waxy ears although I've kept them pretty clean over the years - maybe too clean!

I no longer gig (or really go to gigs) anymore so my main focus is songwriting and recording/ mixing at home.

Shall I get these Alpine Musicsafe earplugs, and how detrimental are earplugs to the whole mixing/ recording process?

http://www.snorestore.co.uk/acatalog/music_earplugs.html

(you have to scroll down a bit)
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 10:03 pm

though...tinnitus is more the hearing of wierd sounds than actuall loss of hearing isnt it? though intelligablity(probably made up) is affected
so if you did have tinnitus and then had your ears syringed would it make it worse?
as you would be more sensitive to loud sounds?
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Guest » Mon May 05, 2008 10:11 pm

Yeah you could be right - although I'm fairly sure this has nothing to do with wax and everything to do with loud music.

Oh well, I'll make the appointment and hopefully the doc can suggest something non-obvious like 'rest your ears' or 'turn the music down'
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Re: Tinnitus

Postby Paul Soundscape » Mon May 05, 2008 10:20 pm

its not just loud music,
stress and all sorts can cause it,
ear infections
drugs
physical injury etc...
but yeah main thing for us musicians is if you can turn it down,
if not use ear plugs, not just performing but in a club or whereever
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