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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby siderealxxx » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:02 pm

Matt Houghton wrote:
Dave B wrote:I'm wary of the USB-midi cable thingy... Obviously, YMMV

That's a fair health warning, though I've used quite a few of them now, on both OSX and Win 7 and never had a problem. That said, I don't think I've ever tried to route lots of MIDI data through all of them at once. I tend to use them to hook things up conveniently, rather than drive a host of outboard in real time...

This is one of the great ironies of our time I suppose. MIDI has always been, and continues to be incredibly simple but totally reliable. But it's being replaced by technologies which seem to be less efficient, more complicated, less reliable and less future proof. I think there's a good reason all the high end synth manufacturers still put real MIDI in their machines.

Or maybe I'm getting old...! I must admit I don't enjoy keeping up with technological progress anymore (ahem, Apple). I crave stability and a choice selection of gear. I can actually make music that way!
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Dramatic Hammer » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:09 pm

I have an old ESI M8U (not the XL) which works perfectly in Win7. Will test it with El Capitan later and report back...
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Forum Admin » Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:28 pm

How's about this mio10 (10x10) 1U model from iConnectivity?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/mio10
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby porthoss78 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:18 pm

Forum Admin wrote:How's about this mio10 (10x10) 1U model from iConnectivity?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/mio10

Just looked up the specs for that, it's looks pretty special. You can connect multiple computers to it!

Thanks for the link, when my Midex 8 dies (or drivers stop working), that would be a great replacement.

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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Martin Walker » Fri Jan 20, 2017 4:39 pm

siderealxxx wrote:MIDI has always been, and continues to be incredibly simple but totally reliable. But it's being replaced by technologies which seem to be less efficient, more complicated, less reliable and less future proof. I think there's a good reason all the high end synth manufacturers still put real MIDI in their machines.

Hear hear - after all the problems I've experienced over recent years with USB MIDI ports I scrupulously avoid using them when a standard MIDI port is also available as an alternative :headbang:

Besides which , even if you do experience a problem with a standard MIDI port, you can generally fault find it using an LED :beamup:


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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Folderol » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:35 pm

siderealxxx wrote:This is one of the great ironies of our time I suppose. MIDI has always been, and continues to be incredibly simple but totally reliable. But it's being replaced by technologies which seem to be less efficient, more complicated, less reliable and less future proof. I think there's a good reason all the high end synth manufacturers still put real MIDI in their machines.

Or maybe I'm getting old...! I must admit I don't enjoy keeping up with technological progress anymore (ahem, Apple). I crave stability and a choice selection of gear. I can actually make music that way!
If it makes you feel any better, 8 years ago the firm I do occasional work for was asked to upgrade a factory-wide control system. The customer specified hardware serial comms on the grounds of simplicity and reliability. In that time there has never been a comms failure, and it's only switched off for a week at Christmas.
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby siderealxxx » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:40 pm

Forum Admin wrote:How's about this mio10 (10x10) 1U model from iConnectivity?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/mio10

Yeh I looked at this. I have no experience of iConnectivity (anyone?). I read it takes some setting up and the software is poor.

It seems they came from the mobile audio side of things and now branching out. The trouble is we don't know their track record and commitment to drivers etc.
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Matt Houghton » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:03 pm

Martin Walker wrote: after all the problems I've experienced over recent years with USB MIDI ports I scrupulously avoid using them when a standard MIDI port is also available

Hi Martin. I'm curious... What sort of problems have you experienced?
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Matt Houghton » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:14 pm

Another thought... for anyone on Mac with *serious* MIDI I/O needs... has anyone tried using MIDI over ethernet, to communicate with a Windows or older Mac machine hooked up to a Midisport 8x8 or some such? (Perhaps a good use for that c***y old iMac or Powerbook that's gathering dust in the corner of the room!)

Alternatively, might it be possible to run a version of Windows in Parallels on the Mac, use Win for the MIDI interface, and bridge MIDI from Parallels to MacOS?
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby siderealxxx » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:31 pm

Matt Houghton wrote:Another thought... for anyone on Mac with *serious* MIDI I/O needs... has anyone tried using MIDI over ethernet, to communicate with a Windows or older Mac machine hooked up to a Midisport 8x8 or some such? (Perhaps a good use for that c***y old iMac or Powerbook that's gathering dust in the corner of the room!)

Alternatively, might it be possible to run a version of Windows in Parallels on the Mac, use Win for the MIDI interface, and bridge MIDI from Parallels to MacOS?

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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Heather Haze » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:28 am

I'm still using my MIDISport 8x8 in my studio, and it still works great. I'll never give it up as long as it keeps working. It's a real workhorse. I rely on those MIDI ports to be there when I need them. That said, I confess it has failed me on two occasions. The first time was something around twelve years ago. I thought it was a goner, but when I contacted M-Audio, they sent me a new eprom chip. I popped that thing in and it sprang back to life. It worked solid for about ten years, then suddenly it wouldn't connect again. I took it apart and discovered the chip had gradually worked its way loose. I pushed it back in with a satisfying crunch, and bingo! Back to work, no problem. What a great piece of gear.

It will be a sad day if I ever have to give up my 8x8.

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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Zukan » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:18 am

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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby Matt Houghton » Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:56 am

I still have an 8x8 which functions on Windows but not on MacOS since around v10.9. IIRC 10.8.5 was the last version that drivers worked with.

So I'll admit to missing my DACS MIDI Patchbay which I sold in a silly moment of "yeah, like I'll ever need this again!". That was a great design: MIDI Dins on the back, clusters of jacks on the front for easy patching.

But for now, generally, just sticking a cheap USB>MIDI cable on any MIDI gear I want to use seems to do the job well enough...


EDIT: Of course, you all know this already, seeing as this is an old but recently resurrected thread in which I already told you ;)
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby The Elf » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:42 am

I use a pair of MOTU MIDI Express 128. They're pretty much flawless. I did used to get them occasionally spontaneously swapping over, but since Win10 even that minor irritation has disappeared.

I used to have a Function Junction Plus (16x16) - a great device, but not an interface, and something I wouldn't have much use for nowadays.
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Re: 8x8 MIDI Interfaces... where are they?!

Postby desmond » Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:06 pm

Emagic AMT8 here, bought in the early 2000s, still supported on Mac now. Bullet proof, with timing under Logic basically the same as the Atari STs famed timing.
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