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The Doctor's Band

Postby Aurongroove » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:56 am

Hands up who remembers my disastrous "finding the right label for hard to define music"?

Anyways.
To finish the ongoing fairlytale; we ended up doing it ourselves.
We recorded it
Mixed it
Scraped up money for an exceptionally good mastering engineer
Found a crew to make a video.
Designed our websites and PR.
Designed our album Artwork
and we're self releasing.


Work, work, work, money and work. It took four grown men (who are to all intents-and-purposes career-less and depressed), every waking moment to do, and we're still not finished.
It's just one massive task after another; I don't think we've even picked up our instruments in 6 months.



But I wanted to share some of the 'Good' with you guys.

Below is the video we put up on Youtube a week ago, and the 600+ views and counting, felt like, the world taking a small-but-extremely-important modicum of notice of our efforts and a 'Bic-lighter at the end of the tunnel'.

Anyways for those who are curious here's our site
www.drmindflip.com

and here's our Video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26Vb5OyCVY

Love.
James a.k.a Dollhead.

P.S. we're still open to suggestions on "what our sound is"
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby blinddrew » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:25 am

I like it, it's a very polished and complete package IMO.
I still have no idea what genre it is though :)
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby Aurongroove » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:55 pm

blinddrew wrote:I like it, it's a very polished and complete package IMO.
I still have no idea what genre it is though :)

:)

You can see how it's a pain in the neck, especially when dealing with people that you only have a '7 second pitch' before it crosses the threshold of you just bothering something.

At least now we can just say, "we'll mate, here's the video, you decide what it is"
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby CS70 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:22 pm

Aurongroove wrote:Hands up who remembers my disastrous "finding the right label for hard to define music"?

Anyways.
To finish the ongoing fairlytale; we ended up doing it ourselves.
We recorded it
Mixed it
Scraped up money for an exceptionally good mastering engineer
Found a crew to make a video.
Designed our websites and PR.
Designed our album Artwork
and we're self releasing.


Work, work, work, money and work. It took four grown men (who are to all intents-and-purposes career-less and depressed), every waking moment to do, and we're still not finished.

Well done and welcome to the club! Just be aware, that wasn't work: that was fun. Now it's when the actual work starts: you got to market your thing, and that's way less pleasurable than making it. Been collecting newspaper addresses ("music editor attention") for the last week. For half of them I'm not even sure if they have one! :D

Give a damn about the genre, how and how much you market your product is what matters if you have commercial ambitions.
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby Aurongroove » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:52 pm

CS70 wrote:that wasn't work: that was fun. Now it's when the actual work starts: you got to market your thing, and that's way less pleasurable than making it

Oh stop it yes, that's what we're doing these past weeks and it's HELL.
I can say right now, that I never want to do it again, next album, (if we're still together) we're not going to touch it without either a label behind us or a manager or both.

We haven't picked up our instruments in about 6 months. we've had to learn how to make spreadsheets and cost projections, and plan launch gigs, deal with Independent record store owners (who are the NICEST people I've ever talked too, BTW).
and that's just about 30% of it!
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby CS70 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:55 pm

Aurongroove wrote:
CS70 wrote:that wasn't work: that was fun. Now it's when the actual work starts: you got to market your thing, and that's way less pleasurable than making it

Oh stop it yes, that's what we're doing these past weeks and it's HELL.
I can say right now, that I never want to do it again, next album, (if we're still together) we're not going to touch it without either a label behind us or a manager or both.

We haven't picked up our instruments in about 6 months. we've had to learn how to make spreadsheets and cost projections, and plan launch gigs, deal with Independent record store owners (who are the NICEST people I've ever talked too, BTW).
and that's just about 30% of it!

Best of luck!
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby awjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:36 am

CS70 wrote:
Aurongroove wrote:Hands up who remembers my disastrous "finding the right label for hard to define music"?

Anyways.
To finish the ongoing fairlytale; we ended up doing it ourselves.
We recorded it
Mixed it
Scraped up money for an exceptionally good mastering engineer
Found a crew to make a video.
Designed our websites and PR.
Designed our album Artwork
and we're self releasing.


Work, work, work, money and work. It took four grown men (who are to all intents-and-purposes career-less and depressed), every waking moment to do, and we're still not finished.

Well done and welcome to the club! Just be aware, that wasn't work: that was fun. Now it's when the actual work starts: you got to market your thing, and that's way less pleasurable than making it.

Ha ha. You gotta market yo thang.
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby awjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:41 am

Aurongroove wrote:
CS70 wrote:that wasn't work: that was fun. Now it's when the actual work starts: you got to market your thing, and that's way less pleasurable than making it

Oh stop it yes, that's what we're doing these past weeks and it's HELL.

Butchoo gotta market yo thang.

Aurongroove wrote:I can say right now, that I never want to do it again, next album, (if we're still together) we're not going to touch it without either a label behind us or a manager or both.

I show off sometimes. It's usually when I'm playing.



Aurongroove wrote:We haven't picked up our instruments in about 6 months.

Dude. I mean, please. Six months? What's the point?

Aurongroove wrote:... we've had to learn how to make spreadsheets and cost projections, and plan launch gigs, deal with Independent record store owners (who are the NICEST people I've ever talked too, BTW).
and that's just about 30% of it!

Yeah, yeah. Life's so busy in the fast lane. What do you need to slow down?
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby awjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:13 am

One more thing to do: the ad.

These clever young people, very talented, have learned the art of the ad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0fyBWTHfUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRj2JK5oCI
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby petev3.1 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:38 pm

I hear all sorts of connections, mostly to Brit artists oddly. The genre is obviously idiosyncratical postmodernist commentarial popdubrockpunkfunkstep. I like it anyway.

It surprises me that there are not more otherwise out-of-work professionals offering all-in-one management/label service for a fee. It's truly horrible to have to make the music and also do all the other stuff, and usually artists don't have the expertise and have to learn lots of stuff they don't even want in their heads. How cool would Pink Floyd have been if they'd had to do all their own marketing? It;s like the biz. has not quite got itself organised yet in this new world of miniscule budgets.
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby Martin Walker » Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:51 pm

Lovely musical work James, and great video 8-)

Of course I love the steampunk aspects of the video (as you'd expect), and in my mind's eye heard snatches of both Thomas Dolby and Sparks, but this is a unique and wonderfully idiosyncratic sound overall.

Bravo! :clap:


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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby awjoe » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:34 pm

petev3.1 wrote:It surprises me that there are not more otherwise out-of-work professionals offering all-in-one management/label service for a fee. It's truly horrible to have to make the music and also do all the other stuff, and usually artists don't have the expertise and have to learn lots of stuff they don't even want in their heads. How cool would Pink Floyd have been if they'd had to do all their own marketing? It;s like the biz. has not quite got itself organised yet in this new world of miniscule budgets.

Exactly. The closest one-stop shop I've found is Distrokid. But they deal with distribution only, and not the full marketing package. These days, you need videos and a website and Twitter and FB and somebody working the network. I just get bored, plus I don't have the time, let alone the stomach for it.
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby Aurongroove » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:45 pm

petev3.1 wrote:It surprises me that there are not more otherwise out-of-work professionals offering all-in-one management/label service for a fee. It's truly horrible to have to make the music and also do all the other stuff, and usually artists don't have the expertise and have to learn lots of stuff they don't even want in their heads. How cool would Pink Floyd have been if they'd had to do all their own marketing? It;s like the biz. has not quite got itself organised yet in this new world of miniscule budgets.


I would bite the entire arm off of someone offering this. We don't really know anyone (in network terms) and we're also trying to learn to swim as we do it!!
We have to send cold emails to people hoping their actual eyes find the messages (festivals and journalists are particularly problematic), but probably 90% of these probably meet a spam filter or a busy secretary who's job it is to filter out 'randomers' .

We were approached by a fairly highly regarded venue in Dublin (one of the best actually) asking if we had a place to do a launch gig, and this bowled us over. It was the first time someone 'came to us' so to speak.
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby blinddrew » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:37 pm

As The Red Bladder has said on other threads, people knocking on your door means you have the potential for a business model... :)
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Re: The Doctor's Band

Postby petev3.1 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:37 pm

Going back a bit...

Why is nobody offering bands an expert advice, release and promotion service for a reasonable fee? Why do competent labels not offer to release anything they feel is good for a fee? It worked for Taylor Swift, albeit that was a big money deal. It's almost a no-risk situation for the consultant/label, and with the right contract could occasionally bring in a lot more than the initial fees.

Given the membership here this question should be answerable. The self-publishing market in books is a model, where the publisher does all the stuff the author cannot do and advises them etc. Is this not a potential earner for any out of work ex-A&R exec. or manager?
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