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Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Chilly Canuck » Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:33 am

Hi folks, brand new member but long time lurker.
I'm using a Yamaha 01v with an ADAT card, trying to sync it to an Echo Audio Gina 24/96, it's giving me grief.
It's a brand new Windows 7 64 bit install on a 2-3 year old Intel i3-3240, 3.4 GHz processor with 8 Gb of memory. (I used Win 7 because it's the last version of windows supported by the drivers).
The problem is that I get repeated random spikes in my VUs, sometimes just a couple each minute, sometimes more often. Every spike gets recorded by my Sonar X1 and sounds like a lightning bolt through the head.
I also get messages on the 01v saying it's the wrong word clock. I use the reset word clock function on the 01v, that fixes it for a couple of minutes but it always returns to the same problem.
I'm using the latest drivers for the Gina, I'm pretty sure I've tried every combination of settings with the Gina console, to no avail.
Anybody have any tips or tricks I might have missed?
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby James Perrett » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:15 pm

Sounds like the clock source on the 01V is set incorrectly. What options do you have for clocking on the 01V and what is it set to?
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Chilly Canuck » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:20 pm

The 01v has an "auto navigate" function to determine clock rate, it always tells me the recommended setting is internal 44.1k. I've set up the Gina as ADAT slave with the same frame rate. Each time I run the auto navigate, the 01v tells me it's locked but within a few minutes I'm getting the same error message, "Caution: Wrong Clock Source".
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:08 pm

It does sound like a clocking problem.

Some devices are more fussy than others about locking to embedded clocks in ADAT connections. So, if the Gina card doesn't like locking to the Yamaha, try making the desk a slave to its ADAT input and using the Gina card as the system clock master.

I've also found that dust in ADAT sockets can cause annoyances like this -- a puff of clean air can help a lot. And if all else fails some new good-quality ADAT cables might be neede...

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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Chilly Canuck wrote:CC

I can certainly see this causing confusion ;-)

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PS only 3 more posts from Hugh and he reaches 20,000, I see. When that happens will the forum be dismantled to be replaced by something even more bizarrely improbable?
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Chilly Canuck » Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:38 pm

My apologies for stealing your signature CC :headbang:
I've tried setting the Gina as master but I immediately lose input. The 01v really wants to be master.
I did as Hugh suggested and blew out the ADAT sockets, I also used glass cleaner on the lightpipes, the problem persists. Maybe this Gina has just completed its life cycle and I should look into a more current interface... Can anyone suggest a compatible/affordable 8 track solution?
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Postby zenguitar » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:21 pm

ConcertinaChap wrote:PS only 3 more posts from Hugh and he reaches 20,000, I see. When that happens will the forum be dismantled to be replaced by something even more bizarrely improbable?
Some people believe that this has already happened.

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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:50 pm

Shall we help him?..... Hugh have you any experience of the Gina interface? :D
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:23 pm

Sadly...
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:23 pm

...no...
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:24 pm

...I don't!
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Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:25 pm

Whoo hoo! :D :mrgreen: :lol: :thumbup:
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Postby Folderol » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:41 pm

Excitable chappie, isn't he? :wave:
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:56 pm

Not usually...... :yawn:

Nice one Hugh :clap:
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Chilly Canuck » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:06 am

Update: Success!
After cleaning the lightpipes I noticed the spikes seemed a lot fewer and farther between so I figured I might be on the right path. I unplugged both, cleaned them again and reversed their directions. I also made them follow the straightest path possible, which was tricky because they're around 4X longer than I really need. Then I set up to record and watched the VUs for around 15 minutes, not a single spike.
So far so good, hope it lasts.
Thanks to all for your replies.
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Re: Any Gina 24/ADAT interface troubleshooters around here?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:39 am

Chilly Canuck wrote:Update: Success!

I'm pleased it was that simple -- it often is when using lightpipes!

I also made them follow the straightest path possible, which was tricky because they're around 4X longer than I really need.

Ah.... you didn't say that! It would be well worthwhile buying some new ones of a more appropriate length, and running them as straight as possible (or with very gentle bends) is also a very good idea.

The optical signal gets dispersed (scattered) inside the lightpipe fibre which is an equivalent of the effect of capacitance in an electrical cable. The longer and cheaper the cable, the bigger the problem which results in a much weaker and more jittery signal, and that can mess up the extraction of both clocking and audio data. Tight bends make the problem worse.

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