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Re: Self promotion

Postby Folderol » Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:10 pm

I rather like the idea - especially if people can give dates and locations so we can come along if it's not too far.
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Re: Self promotion

Postby ConcertinaChap » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:46 pm

desmond wrote:as I can envisage that my (and many others) primary way of checking in with the forums could easily become overrun and effectively useless.

Fair point. I personally don't use "View Unread Posts" so your issue didn't occur to me. FWIW my belief is that after an initial flurry of activity the subforum would settle down and not cause you problems. I could be wrong, of course and for that and other reasons if the mods proposed to have the subforum for a trial period I wouldn't object.

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Re: Self promotion

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:58 pm

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desmond wrote:I'd personally be wary of clogging up the latest/active posts etc with "This weeks gig by my band is at..." or "Hey, we just did a YouTube video at..." and so on, as I can envisage that my (and many others) primary way of checking in with the forums could easily become overrun and effectively useless.

This would be my fear too.

I totally agree with this, and have also abandoned plenty of Facebook groups that ended up as endless lists of self-promotion. Some people think making a video of them unpacking their new synth from its box is newsworthy :headbang:

If we have a dedicated sub-forum and tasteful users it might work, but there's still a decision to be made about gigs slowing falling off the bottom of the list, while music releases needing to be stay around for longer (stickies for a month maybe?)


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Re: Self promotion

Postby Folderol » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:24 pm

If it was made only visible to registered and logged in users ( like the lounge) maybe the numpties wouldn't even know it was there.
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Re: Self promotion

Postby zenguitar » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:11 am

Ahh!! You would be amazed at how much effort those numpties put in to being such numpties :)

When a spammer/abuser creates their account and then signs in to the forum they can see the Lounge. And because they are are so lacking in knowledge about the subjects of the main forums they are tempted to post their spam in existing topics in the Lounge. Because of the approval process the mods can nuke them so they rarely slip through to public view, but the Lounge is definitely targeted.

To be honest, the blatant, professional, spammers are trivial to deal with because they are so glaringly obvious and clearly off-topic. We get the rare smart one who comes up with a new trick to try and sneak their spam link through, but the vast majority comes from poor people in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh/Vietnam using a cheap Chinese smartphone and making a meagre living posting spam for peanuts.

The ones we have problems with are the enthusiastic self promoters working hard to build their brand within the music/tech industry. The ones who post with the sole intention of driving traffic to their blog, YouTube Channel, tuition website. And the reason they are such a problem is that they are stupid. Stupid because they see the SOS forums as a resource to exploit, and doubly stupid because they fail to recognise them as a community they should embrace as like minded souls in join in.

There is an ancient topic called "Show us your website" (or something like that), it dates from a time when having a website was a recently new tool and members could share their websites and compare notes. Now having a website is passé, it's what us oldies have while the Yoof have moved on. But from time to time we get spammers using it to promote Plant Hire in Dubai.

And the point is that that topic was once very relevant and useful, but now it is a spam magnet.

I can REALLY see the benefit of having a Forum or sub-Forum where those loyal, helpful and friendly members can promote their latest endeavours. CC is right to raise the issue in this topic, it does seem unfair that the very people who play by the rules and contribute the most to the forums appear disadvantaged compared to businesses and fly by posters working their signature links.

So, I would suggest that the way to make it work is to ensure that the only way you can post in such a forum is if you have established a track record as a contributor here at SOS forums. That keeps out the fly-by posters and spamers and offers a "thank you" to those who join in the chat and answer the questions.

I am not sure whetheror not this is possible, Ian would need to make enquiries, but it might work. We can hide the Lounge from non-members, there is also a mods forum that is hidden from regular members, and we can force new members with less than 3 posts to have their posts approved. And we can create labels (like 'Jedi' posters) depending on how many posts a member has made.

So... If it is possible, how about a forum where members who have made a certain number of posts are free to to make announcements about new releases, gigs, collaborations, projects, etc.? Not only would that include CC's new release, Elf's recent album and gigs, and CS70's projects, but it would also include Man From Glass's annual gig.

If that sounds like a runner there are two questions we need to ask. The 1st is "Is this technically possible Ian?" and the second is "what do people think would be would be an appropriate number of posts in the SOS forums to qualify for the 'Member promo Forum' ?"

Phew!! That was nearly an hour in the making.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Self promotion

Postby ore_terra » Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:47 am

that would be good: something like 50 posts before you can publish in that hypothetical sub-forum (just brainstorming)

I'm member of another forum that reminds me a lot to this one (relatively small community - not massive - with high quality contents) and there is a self promotion sub-forum. I never see it full of spam shit despite there's no 3 1st posts moderation rule like here.

... and like said above it would be good to know what people's up to, and potentially come to know you guys in action.

... and of course come to my bands gig the next 21st and buy my EP YOU MOTHERF :round1: :round1:

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Re: Self promotion

Postby blinddrew » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:27 am

Technical possibilities aside, that sounds promising Andy.
If we set the minimum posting count to about 4000 we'd be able to exclude all the wrong people... ;)
More seriously, like ore_terra, i was thinking of around 50 posts as i read your thread.
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Re: Self promotion

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:39 am

I'd be very happy with that too.

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Re: Self promotion

Postby garrettendi » Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:51 am

I think this is a good way to make it work. 50 posts as a the cut off would work as well for me.
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Re: Self promotion

Postby ManFromGlass » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:50 pm

On one hand it sounds like spammers generally post once but I could be wrong. On the other hand 50 would imply community member. Instead of "Frequent Poster" perhaps a new designation "Community Member" would kick in at 50 posts, assuming the mods have control over this count. And assuming instead of working their butts off to get the mag out the door somebody has the time to make this happen :clap:
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Re: Self promotion

Postby ore_terra » Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:37 pm

if a spammer would be patient enough to participate and "make community" until his post no. 49 and then in the 50 unleash all the spam he's got inside... that would deserve some kind of award :lol: :lol:
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Re: Self promotion

Postby Folderol » Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:16 pm

ore_terra wrote:if a spammer would be patient enough to participate and "make community" until his post no. 49 and then in the 50 unleash all the spam he's got inside... that would deserve some kind of award :lol: :lol:
... and I for one, would be happy to give it to him ... personally!
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Re: Self promotion

Postby blinddrew » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:02 pm

I believe this is the appropriate response: https://xkcd.com/810/ :)
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Re: Self promotion

Postby Martin Walker » Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:47 pm

garrettendi wrote:I think this is a good way to make it work. 50 posts as a the cut off would work as well for me.

For me too - you really would have to be part of the community after 50 posts :thumbup:


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Re: Self promotion

Postby Wonks » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:20 pm

But you only need to spend an hour on word association and you're there. Posts there still add to your count and you don't need any real interaction with the community.
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