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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby John Willett » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:04 am

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby John Willett » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:10 am

I have both PC and Mac - though about 8 years ago I switched to the Mac as I was getting so fed up with Windows.

After using a Mac, a PC seems so clunky in comparison.

So, I now use a Mac for almost everything.

However - my DAW is PC only :thumbdown: so I have to keep an old PC running just for the DAW. My old PC is a Samsung "lighter than Air" which a friend upgraded for me to double the size of the SSD and max out the RAM and put in Windows 10. Pretty slow to today's standards but still OK for running Sequoia 11.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby varunbkk » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:56 am

There's really no other way to put this:

If you're even remotely serious about music production,
then get a Mac.

Windows 10 is a clusterf*** that is not a suitable environment for music production -
if you want overall stability and consistency with minimal interruptions esp. pesky updates.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:03 am

varunbkk wrote:There's really no other way to put this:
If you're even remotely serious about music production, then get a Mac.

Complete and utter nonsense!

By all means choose a mac if you want to, but windows-based systems also work perfectly well and are used daily in all manner of music production roles by a huge number of high-end professionals around the world.

I'm all for the freedom of personal platform preferences, but I don't support and won't leave unchallenged baseless didactic pronouncements like this!

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:58 am

*Absolutely* what Hugh said.

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Forum Admin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:32 pm

Even as a committed life-long Mac user (since 1986, when we ditched Amstrad PC1512s for editorial production :D ) I have to agree totally with Hugh. Tons of pros across the globe are doing "serious" production work on their PCs.

But there is a certain je ne c'est quoi about using an Apple computer that appeals to my sensibilities and I too find Windows very "clunky" (but I use it out of the box on my family PC). They're both great tools -- just that PCs are lower cost, typically.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby CS70 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:33 pm

varunbkk wrote:There's really no other way to put this:

If you're even remotely serious about music production,
then get a Mac.

Windows 10 is a clusterf*** that is not a suitable environment for music production -
if you want overall stability and consistency with minimal interruptions esp. pesky updates.

Clueless.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Zukan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:53 pm

I am seeing more and more pro producers using PCs running Win 10 and I made the switch based on their recommendations. I use a decent PC running Win 10 and the jump from 8 to 10 is really noticeable when working with the various DAWs.

A happy camper I be.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:03 pm

Forum Admin wrote:They're both great tools -- just that PCs are lower cost, typically.

In my experience, if you buy/build a PC of similar quality and performance to a typical Mac there won't be that much of a price difference. The PC will be a little less expensive, but not by enough for a decent holiday in the sun! :lol:
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby OneWorld » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:11 pm

Zukan wrote:I am seeing more and more pro producers using PCs running Win 10 and I made the switch based on their recommendations. I use a decent PC running Win 10 and the jump from 8 to 10 is really noticeable when working with the various DAWs.

A happy camper I be.

Yes, so what do they do when like in my case, a Windows update leaves me with fuzzy screen fonts, which despite trawling the internet for a solution I cannot, and the 'freezing mouse/gui' do they just sit there and put up with it?

I never had these problems with Win7, and I would have been more than happy staying with Win7 except for the incessant pestering to upgrade to Win10, so I gave in, resistance is futile and have to say I was happy, until the anniversary/creator's or whatever other update it was.

I do wish Akai with their latest MPC offered streaming audio recording, I'd ditch the PC in an instant
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Forum Admin » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:17 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:In my experience, if you buy/build a PC of similar quality and performance to a typical Mac there won't be that much of a price difference. The PC will be a little less expensive, but not by enough for a decent holiday in the sun! :lol:

So the £99 laptop I just bought from Office Outlet won't cut the mustard? Better cancel the summer holiday I booked... :D :D :D
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby Zukan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:20 pm

I hear you but I can only go by my experiences and I have learned the hard way not to install any updates until I have researched the side effects. I used to only use Macs for music until they became unaffordable and I had to make the switch. It has taken me some time but I now have a stable pc system and am not in the mood for another change.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby johnny h » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:22 pm

OneWorld wrote:Yes, so what do they do when like in my case, a Windows update leaves me with fuzzy screen fonts, which despite trawling the internet for a solution I cannot, and the 'freezing mouse/gui' do they just sit there and put up with it?
If its ruining your workflow, just get rid of it. Life is too short!
I do wish Akai with their latest MPC offered streaming audio recording, I'd ditch the PC in an instant
Hate to break it to you, but Akai are using Windows embedded on their new MPCs! You're basically buying a cheap netbook attached to a control service (for a premium price).
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby CS70 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:06 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Forum Admin wrote:They're both great tools -- just that PCs are lower cost, typically.

In my experience, if you buy/build a PC of similar quality and performance to a typical Mac there won't be that much of a price difference. The PC will be a little less expensive, but not by enough for a decent holiday in the sun! :lol:

I think there's quite a bit of difference between buying and building. If you buy, a PC of equivalent power will cost you a little less, but perhaps not so much to be worth the hassle.

But if you build one, especially by using perfectly fine second-hand parts or less than bleeding edge components, the savings are potentially huge, also because you'll be able to pay for the power the parts you need (graphics cards, say, not big priority for audio).. You put in some knowledge , skills and time, and parts have a tendency drop in price in a way disproportionate to the their performance as soon something a trifle better appears on the market. So you can get an awesome bit-crunching machine for much less than buying new, definitely saving more than enough for a decent holiday in the sun. Or at least a charter :)

I guess you can do the same with Hackintosh but I have no direct experience of that.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:44 pm

There is definitely an Apple tax, one that I'm, well, not happy but willing to pay. Apart from the occasional wandering idiot or professional troll I think the Apple / PC wars are largely over. You take the path you want depending on your own personal criteria and if cost is high on the list that may well steer you away from Apple. Fine. No worries, you'll very probably not lose out in any meaningful way from going that route.

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby John Willett » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:06 pm

Forum Admin wrote: -- just that PCs are lower cost, typically.

Not that much - if you compare a PC to the same high spec. of a Mac, the price is not that much different.

But - you can get low spec. PCs a lot cheaper than any Mac.
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby johnny h » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:42 pm

CS70 wrote:I guess you can do the same with Hackintosh but I have no direct experience of that.
Its great if you have a huge amount of time on your hands that you don't want to put to good use instead!
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:49 pm

A different thread has just reminded me of something that Macs are clearly superior to Windows in and that's USB Audio 2.0 compliance. It's fully supported on Macs and has been for a long time, meaning that many audio interfaces work out of the box 24 bit 96kHz without needing any additional drivers. Until recently Windows only supported v1.0 of this spec, meaning only audio interfaces that went no higher than 16bit 48kHz could be used without drivers.

Then, in W10 Creators Edn M$ announced they were supporting USB Audio 2.0. But there was a catch, it's only supported for playback not for recording, that's unchanged (Creators Edition?). Apparently it's there for the Hi-Fi fraternity and their posh DACS, not for us. That's how things currently stand and M$ still show no signs of implementing the full standard. Why?

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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby redlester » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:23 pm

ConcertinaChap wrote:PS on the High Sierra front, when you get a new machine it comes with the latest version of the OS whatever it is. In the event when I got my new machine last month it was a bit of an anticlimax - everything worked fine. Mind you, it's nearly a year since High Sierra came out so it nearly accords with my long-standing policy of keeping one OS version behind the current one, which works pretty well I find.

As documented elsewhere on the forum, I was a PC user since pre-Windows and only changed over to Mac four months ago, so all I have ever known is High Sierra. Seems to work pretty flawlessly, but I do know what you mean and I suppose I will wait a long time before jumping into Mojave. In fact I will wait until there is written confirmation from all the software companies that I rely on that they are compatible. The "dark mode" can wait a while I think.

Regarding not connecting to the internet on the music computer, that simply wouldn't work for me. I regularly have to Google things or watch YouTube tutorials while I have my DAW open! :oops:
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Re: Mac vs PC - sorry but I have to ask

Postby desmond » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:36 pm

High Sierra is generally fine but it kills support for garbage collection, and there is one particular set of legacy pro audio apps that won't work on it anymore, which is a bit of a pain for me.

Moving on, the next OS after Mojave looks to kill 32-bit support, so no old 32-bit apps will directly run on that (unless they include an emulation layer, or something.)
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