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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:49 pm

several other morals to the story.

1) to break the rules, or even stick to the rules, first you should learn the rules.

2) there's a vast plethora of emulations of things out there that just don't need to be emulated because no one ever makes real use of the real thing either, just because it's out there does not means it's useful.

thus, get the right thing, in a limited number of options, and you're golden..... get a million things that you don't need and you'll never find the right solution.
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby djangodeadman » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:13 pm

arkieboy wrote:
* has anyone ever played a gig when the song guy pulled a ribbon mic out of his mic flight case. I thought not ;-)

No, but I have worked as the sound guy at a gig where the guitarist from the headlining band brought his own Coles ribbon mic with him and asked me to use it, which, of course, I did. I've also worked a gig where the headliners brought their own sound guy, who brought two of his own ribbon mics along. It's not common, for sure, but it does happen.
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby BigRedX » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:13 pm

What I've found with my Helix, is that I get the best results by ignoring what the individual models are supposed to be of, and just experimenting and using my ears.

I'm using mine mainly on for bass guitar - 5-string and Bass VIs - and running it into an FRFR powered speaker for live use.

Most of my 5-string bass patches down even use amp or cab models (after all amps and cabs are just a way of getting your instrument loud with a baked in sound that you happen to like, and some controls that let you adjust to a degree that baked in sound), I just use one of the EQ modules. Where I have included an amp model it was one where I liked the drive effect and it has been used mostly for that rather than the overall sound.

For the Bass VI I found the best amp for me was the one based on the Roland Jazz Chorus (not an amp that you would naturally associate with bass guitar). The great thing about the Helix is because all the modules are simply digital emulations on the devices they are based on you can't break them by running the wrong kind of instrument/frequencies into them. The worst that can happen is the result won't sound very good, in which case I move on and try something else.
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby arkieboy » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:20 pm

Studio Support Gnome wrote:just because it's out there does not means it's useful.

thus, get the right thing, in a limited number of options, and you're golden..... get a million things that you don't need and you'll never find the right solution

Absolutely. I eventually loaded no more than four IRs per cab and I don't use all of those ...

I'm working from a template patch with a AC30TB and a Marshall 2204 and a selection of favourite pedals which I copy and customise for each song - you just need to tweak the pedals and switch them on and off for each scene, with the added bonus that it makes controlling the volume between songs easy too. Really easy workflow ...
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:19 pm

i need to come over and hear it , and...... Introduce you to my latest offspring....
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Postby zenguitar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:11 am

Studio Support Gnome wrote:i need to come over and hear it , and...... Introduce you to my latest offspring....

... Damien

:D

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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby arkieboy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:25 pm

Studio Support Gnome wrote:i need to come over and hear it

No - don't tell me - I know the plot: you visit, we gas, you play and make me feel like a beginner. When you leave I suddenly notice all of the 2204 models have been replaced with Engl and the checksum on my 1960 IRs mysteriously match SM57 off axis files for Orange PPC412. :bouncy:
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby paul tha other » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:47 pm

i was away to buy a helix but decided to just get the hx effects...ive got a fender twin that i adore so i didnt need the amp sim part of it..

i was the same when i got it and looked up which effect was modded on classic pedals etc..i gave up on that about a month in and just started going through them to see which ones worked with me...ie i play in a floyd tribute band and it has the arbiter fuzz in the hx that gilmour used..for the life of me i cant get that fuzz to give that "glimour tone" but i can when i combine a few of the distortions

on a side note..i love this pedal...it the first guitar toy ive bought in years thats had me sitting in front of my amp night after night just doing things like "whats 6 delay pedals sound like"

its had me playing every night for about 3 months..it even makes me sound like i can play


ive still to do a gig with it so ill see how that goes..thats normally when i find out how good these things are


the only things i cant get it to do is get the amp switching working right....whenever i plug a lead into the footswitch port and then plug it in to my hx my amp buzzes and crackles like crazy..the switching works but its un-usable..ive contacted the support but it came to a dead end
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby Wonks » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:15 pm

paul tha other wrote:the only things i cant get it to do is get the amp switching working right....whenever i plug a lead into the footswitch port and then plug it in to my hx my amp buzzes and crackles like crazy..the switching works but its un-usable..ive contacted the support but it came to a dead end

Which Fender Twin model is it? And what is the footswitch actually switching for you?
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby Hewesy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:26 pm

As an aside Gilmour rarely used just one drive pedal, even back in the early days with the Fuzz Faces so that might be why it isn't giving you "that" tone. Amp volume is also a big part of his tone, the amps are wound up loud to just on breakup.

Have a nose at: http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=73 if you haven't already lost a large chunk of your life there... :bouncy:

Odd that you are getting humm/buzz using the F/S - do you normally use a F/S with the Twin before getting the HX?

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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby paul tha other » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:29 pm

Wonks wrote:
paul tha other wrote:the only things i cant get it to do is get the amp switching working right....whenever i plug a lead into the footswitch port and then plug it in to my hx my amp buzzes and crackles like crazy..the switching works but its un-usable..ive contacted the support but it came to a dead end

Which Fender Twin model is it? And what is the footswitch actually switching for you?


its a 90's twin..i believe they get called the "evil twin"

maybe i havnt explained it right..the hx can switch channels on many amps so im told..the manual says to use a trs lead and plug it into one of the expression ports and the other into your footswitch port on the amp..so for instance if im using a snapshot i can switch my amp channel and switch off a few effects and maybe turn a few on

my pal who has one has a marshal amp and it works fine on his setup..

i think it might have to do with fender footswitches..my fender footswitch has lights on it so i assmue there is a voltage coming from the footswitch port to the actual switch..maybe the hx isnt expecting that ???

like i said it works ..it switches the channels..but when i try to get the hx to change the amp i get loads of buzzing and crackling..ive tried all the polarity things etc in the settings page on the hx

it also works fine if i use the fender footswitch along side of it...

do you think i need to get something like a insert lead and use both expression ports to get this to work properly..



Hewesy wrote:As an aside Gilmour rarely used just one drive pedal, even back in the early days with the Fuzz Faces so that might be why it isn't giving you "that" tone. Amp volume is also a big part of his tone, the amps are wound up loud to just on breakup.

Have a nose at: http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=73" target="phpbbpopup if you haven't already lost a large chunk of your life there... :bouncy:

Odd that you are getting humm/buzz using the F/S - do you normally use a F/S with the Twin before getting the HX?

Hewesy

ive lost myself down the gilmourish site rabbit hole..its an awesome resource

like i said im not getting a hum when i use my fender footswitch i only get it when i trying to get the hx to switch the channels
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Re: Finally got on top of my Helix. Advice to noob modeller owners from another noob.

Postby Wonks » Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:19 pm

Here's the best schematic that I could find of 'The Twin' , Foot-switch digram is bottom left and yes, there are diodes involved. You could probably make up an in-line box containing a diode which would allow you to switch channels. With your pedals I doubt if you want to use the on-board reverb, so you won't need the other diode or switching contact.

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I can't read the diode type clearly, looks like 1N4440. Maybe someone else could confirm whether that's a likely candidate. Otherwise maybe 1N4448.

The switch is switching 30v AC (though there will be some drop across the diode and LED), so you need to make sure that the voltage rating of the relay in your switching unit is sufficient.
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