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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Sam Spoons » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:03 pm

Zombie thread I know but, @Mike Senior, I must ask, did you ever write your song with "anticurmudgeonism" in it?
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Mike Senior » Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:24 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Zombie thread I know but, @Mike Senior, I must ask, did you ever write your song with "anticurmudgeonism" in it?

Not yet. Been struggling to find a rhyme... :)
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby The Elf » Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:31 pm

I was going to suggest Mars Volta's 'De-Loused in the Comatorium', until I realised it's an album title, and it was released in 2003 - at which point I felt very old...

Then I found 'Vedamalady' from 2012's Noctourniquet. :D
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby hobbyist » Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:22 pm

Mike Senior wrote:OK, let me explain what I mean by that title. I've recently started a new free podcast where a friend and I take a not-altogether-serious slant on all things project-studio (http://www.projectstudioteabreak.com). For our latest recording, I mentioned that, although I don't normally agree with the "music was better in the 70s/60s/baroque/whateverpastperiod" point of view I sometimes hear from people of my age, I've begun to worry I might be starting to become such a curmudgeon myself...

You see, as I was reclining by the pool on holiday a couple of weeks ago, I heard ABBA's 'Lay All Your Love On Me', which contains the fabulous couplet "I used to think I was sensible / It makes the truth even more incomprehensible", with its six-syllable final word. So I started trying to think if there were any similarly long words in recent chart hits. And I couldn't come up with any!

Five-syllable words used to be commonplace ("Unforgettable" "You irreplaceable you" "Congratulations"...) and The Carpenters managed a whopping seven syllables in "Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft" (a song which includes another 5-syllable and four 4-syllable words too). But the most recent six-syllable word I could find was "institutionalized" in So Solid Crew's "Broken Silence" back in 2003, and even five-syllable ones seem pretty scarce -- there's "opportunity" in Eminem's "Lose Yourself", for instance, but that's 2002.

So, please -- somebody! -- name me a hit song within the last 10 years that has at least a 5-syllable word in it, and preferably a 7-syllable one to stop The Carpenters looking so smug (a herculean labour, I know). Otherwise, I'm afraid I shall have to concede that Mars bars really are getting smaller, that policemen are getting younger, and that young people really don't show any respect for their elders any more. In my day, etc., etc., ...

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Everything is getting smaller. It is called inflation.

Makers are afraid to keep raising the price so they make the product smaller instead hoping you wont notice that.

Dial soap used to be solid bars. Now it is scooped out on two sides giving maybe 1/2 as much as they did in years past.
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby MOF » Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:23 pm

In answer to the OP there have been scientific surveys done to show that pop music of the 2010s has been dumbed down massively. https://m.slashdot.org/story/336145
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:03 pm

Interesting set of studies. I wonder if there's a link here with the demise of the album and the shift to streaming? If you've invested in an album (and the time to listen to it) you might be more open to more challenging material - the old 'growers'.
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby MOF » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:18 am

I wonder if there's a link here with the demise of the album and the shift to streaming?
Definitely re the album demise ‘Within you without you’ on Sgt Pepper grew on me, and ‘Baby as you turn away’ on Bee Gees’ Main course and Bap Kennedy’s ‘Baby it’s alright’ from Lonely Street weren’t singles as far as I can tell.
The latter album I heard one Christmas while in a long queue waiting to pay for other CDs I’d already chosen. By the time I got to the checkout I’d heard the whole cd I think and asked for that one as well.
Maybe streaming might change that since a lot of artists still set great store by releasing an album. So hopefully the whole album will get listened to if it costs the listener no more to purchase and they aren’t restricted to a twenty second preview as in the download scenario.
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Dynamic Mike » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:53 am

Out of your timescale but Jim Diamond (Should have known better) managed to squeeze 13 syllables out of a one letter word.

IIRC from Stephen Pinkers' 'The language Instinct' there are no lazy languages when it comes to syllables. For example, the Americans have managed to lose a syllable in 'government' but it reappears in 'police'.
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby blinddrew » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:27 am

Dynamic Mike wrote:IIRC from Stephen Pinkers' 'The language Instinct' there are no lazy languages when it comes to syllables. For example, the Americans have managed to lose a syllable in 'government' but it reappears in 'police'.
It's a good book that. :)
There may be no lazy languages but there are lazy dialects. Take a drive round Norfolk (the countryside is lovely) and compare the written village name with its local pronunciation...
Wymondham = Windham
Costessey = Cossey
Hunstanton = Hunston (though i'm told this is changing)
Happisburgh = Haysbrur
Etc.
Pretty much drop a syllable from every one. Even the county capital is generally pronounced Naardge by the locals. :)
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby MOF » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:41 am

Take a drive round Norfolk (the countryside is lovely) and compare the written village name with its local pronunciation...

It’s like some of the Not’n’am youngsters I hear, to me it sounds like one long string of vowels.

I've begun to worry I might be starting to become such a curmudgeon myself...
I’ve resigned myself to being one. :D
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Drongoloid » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Mike Senior wrote:
ConcertinaChap wrote:[non sequitur] Did you know that Mars bars were invented in Slough? [/non sequitur]

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Absolutely -- I grew up within smelling distance of the Mars factory, in fact.

All chocolate manufacturers were Quakers. Rowntree, Cadbury, Fry etc. Apparently Bonnie Raitt, Joan Baez and Tom Robinson are Quakers.
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Smellthevalve » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:29 pm

Although Quaker Oats is a separate thing ironically
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Re: Help convince me Mars bars aren't actually getting smaller!

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:54 pm

Drongoloid wrote:
Mike Senior wrote:
ConcertinaChap wrote:[non sequitur] Did you know that Mars bars were invented in Slough? [/non sequitur]

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Absolutely -- I grew up within smelling distance of the Mars factory, in fact.

All chocolate manufacturers were Quakers. Rowntree, Cadbury, Fry etc. Apparently Bonnie Raitt, Joan Baez and Tom Robinson are Quakers.

I'm related, by marriage (not mine), to the Cadbury family. Sadly I am not entitled to free chocolate.
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