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Postby Brendo1976 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:43 am

Has anybody out there used Soundbetter to find a mixing or mastering engineer, or are you on there offering your services? What do you think of the platform and the quality of engineers listed?

Had a recent experience whereby a supposed "grammy awarded" mixing engineer delivered something that was pretty poor in my opinion. I won't rubbish the platform because of one bad experience but wondering if there is a way of weeding out the bad from the good. Every single person on there seems to have 5 stars!

Is it fair to request a sample/test mix of your track before committing to the job?
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Re: Soundbetter

Postby CS70 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:47 pm

Dont know of the platform so can't say, but asking a sample (not a really test mix) is reasonable.
I certainly put together a quick mix when people ask to get them an idea of what they can get, and slice out a portion for them to sample.

The caveat is that the sample may not be as good as the final result, because it's unlikely that one spends the same amount of micro-tweaking.

Regarding the Grammy-awarded guy, don't know - but the final quality of a song is down to much more than just the mix: it's the songwriting, the performance, the recording quality, the arrangement etc. Mixing doesn't do magic. So you've gotta make sure all of that is at Grammy level to get a Grammy level result..
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Re: Soundbetter

Postby Brendo1976 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:34 pm

CS70 wrote:Dont know of the platform so can't say, but asking a sample (not a really test mix) is reasonable.
I certainly put together a quick mix when people ask to get them an idea of what they can get, and slice out a portion for them to sample.

The caveat is that the sample may not be as good as the final result, because it's unlikely that one spends the same amount of micro-tweaking.

Regarding the Grammy-awarded guy, don't know - but the final quality of a song is down to much more than just the mix: it's the songwriting, the performance, the recording quality, the arrangement etc. Mixing doesn't do magic. So you've gotta make sure all of that is at Grammy level to get a Grammy level result..

Thanks for the feedback CS70. Much appreciated.

Wasn't thinking of winning any Grammy's. Just figured being awarded a Grammy would be an indication of a certain level of mix I would receive. Needless to say my expectations were not met.
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Re: Soundbetter

Postby James Perrett » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:06 pm

Brendo1976 wrote:Wasn't thinking of winning any Grammy's. Just figured being awarded a Grammy would be an indication of a certain level of mix I would receive. Needless to say my expectations were not met.

The sound engineering world is full of tales of certain people being very secretive about how they did things because they didn't actually have a clue what they were doing and just arrived at the results by accident.

Personally I'd choose someone who had mixed songs that sounded good to me - competition for work means that good mixing engineers don't have to be that expensive (provided you avoid the current flavour of the month).
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Re: Soundbetter

Postby artistx » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:07 am

As a session singer and as someone with over 160 5 star reviews on another platform, as soon as I started working as a premium provider on SoundBetter, I was abused by users who had no business being on that site to being with. One of them loved my song that I wrote, produced, and performed for her, but she loved it so much that she ambushed me at the end of the project, saying I would not be paid unless I gave up 100% of my copyright. SoundBetter knew this, and yet they still allowed the person to continue on the site and endanger other providers. I honestly could not believe that this is how they "deal" with the abuse that they manifest on their site - at the very very least - you would think that they would delete the user who is clearly going to be a danger to other providers! But no, a penny will always be more important to SoundBetter than any artist ever will. The staff at SoundBetter literally does not care if the providers are abused, and they will go above and beyond to ignore everything that has to do with abuse (hence the D- minus rating on their Better Business Bureau profile).

Because of this, the site is a danger to all providers, and honestly, it's just not a good platform for employment - if anything, it weakens your position as a service provider to work via the site. Literally any other platform would be more lucrative and more bearable than SoundBetter.

Reviews on SoundBetter are also not always legitimate. Of course there are many exceptions and a lot of reviews are real (and I have much respect for my fellow artist providers, and I don't doubt that the provider who already posted on this thread has all real reviews, so this is not at all any kind of insult towards them), but SoundBetter gives people the opportunity to review someone that they never actually worked with because they require providers to get reviews from outside sources before they are even allowed to be considered for premium provider status. In other words, they are using people. You can show them that you have over 160 reviews on another platform and they still want you to get reviews on THEIR platform before being considered for premium provider status because it's not about how skilled or how vetted you are - they just want to use you for advertising.

Meanwhile on other sites, each review was an actual order placed and completed. On SoundBetter, you could make 20 fake twitter accounts and plant 20 fake reviews on any profile you want in 10 minutes. And again, this is not meant to insult any of the providers who I have much respect for. I want all of the providers on SoundBetter to have a better situation and I hate the fact that SoundBetter cannot even pretend to care about them.

So if you want to have a decent life and a good work experience, don't join SoundBetter. It's the last place that will set you up to be happy with your work and you could lose a lot of money in the process because of their 59 dollar a month fee (which does absolutely nothing for you but drain your bank account - being listed on SoundBetter as a premium provider doesn't actually get you work). There are also many other sites that do it much much much better than SoundBetter ever will because they actually have the ability to care about people.

All in all, because SoundBetter has a distinct inability to even pretend to care, SoundBetter will fizzle and fade into their own dark void of social ineptitude. Over time, premium providers will slowly realize that they can do better WITHOUT SoundBetter. SoundBetter doesn't deserve to have anyone support them at this point with the way that they treat providers. No human being on this planet should ever be entitled to earn a profit from a group of people that they don't even know how to pretend to care about.
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Re: Soundbetter

Postby CS70 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:38 pm

Interesting, but a trifle unclear.

What exactly where you asked of doing, and what were you supposed to have copyright of?
What was your role and the other person?

In the meanwhile, I've used the platform a couple times with a mastering engineer and I was pretty satisfied.
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