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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:33 pm

Not sure about posting this here, or it may deserve a seperate thread, may be?
As gear becomes cheaper and cheaper, resale prices also go the same way, we're reaching (reached) a situation where a a lot of the "essential" tools to make music these days are worth almost nothing on resale, or, actually, nothing!
I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it. We don't buy gear to sell, that's not the main reason, but it has to be taken into account at some point. I paid a lot for my Moog, but I got most of it back, and original gear can appreciate in value, cheap gear just reaches a point where it's either superseded and devalues enormously, or it just becomes worthless. I'm actually giving stuff away now, and even then, there are no takers, it's better to buy new as it's so cheap, and you get a guarantee!
Now people are using apps, and tablets/phones, apps you can't sell, and phones etc have built in obsolescence.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:08 pm

Purely out of curiosity how much did you buy, and later sell your Moog Model D for?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby awjoe » Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:59 pm

Plus it sounds great. Nobody's said it, only implied it. I watched two videos. I've never played an instrument like it before, one hand keying the notes, the other hand tweaking the sound. Reminded me a bit of those Indian harmoniums where you pump with one hand and play with the other, except this could easily be more fun. I'm a good one-handed player on backing bits. I'd love to play with this.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:52 am

Sam Spoons wrote:Purely out of curiosity how much did you buy, and later sell your Moog Model D for?

I bought it for £3,000and sold it for £2,750, I kept it for 18 months. I got it at a good price, and sold it below what it was worth, I needed the money for my Buchla.
It was basically money sitting there, I got £250 use out of it in my ownership.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Jul 28, 2019 12:16 pm

I would have been happy with that myself and, I guess, if you'd kept it it would have increased in value too so a good investment.

Arpangel wrote:I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

But, assuming you had got £250's worth of use out of it (as you did with your Minimoog) you would have only need to sell for £20 to break even :bouncy:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:05 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:I would have been happy with that myself and, I guess, if you'd kept it it would have increased in value too so a good investment.

Arpangel wrote:I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

But, assuming you had got £250's worth of use out of it (as you did with your Minimoog) you would have only need to sell for £20 to break even :bouncy:

I've just opened a bank account with Moog Financial Services, they do tend to offer slightly higher returns, over time, of course....

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:34 pm

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ConcertinaChap » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:46 am

Arpangel wrote:I sold my Moog Model D recently for good money, after owning it for a relatively short time. If that had been a Berry D I'd have lost out big time, and got hardly anything for it.

What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?

When the second hand price of kit drops it can be damned annoying, as when Apogee suddenly dropped support for their Ensemble Firewire interfaces and immediately removed hundreds of pounds of value from mine.

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Dave B » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:55 am

Given that someone just advertised two mint Roland SH-101s for 2.5k, I'm guessing that the clones are aimed at a different market...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:40 am

ConcertinaChap wrote:What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?
I've not only seen it, but I've been part of it. I was offered a decent secondhand monosynth yesterday, but I thought - I could have a Behringer Model D for a fifth of that...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:59 am

Given the relative rarity of true 'vintage' synths I think prices will remain stable, there are always those who covet 'the real thing'.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:11 am

I think you'll see a clear demarcation between real classics, which will hold their value, and things that people are trying to sell as 'classics' just because it's old.
It's a bit like the counterfeit watch market. No-one buys a Rolex for $20 believing it's a real one, but lots of those people will go on to buy a real one in the future when they can afford it.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:15 am

It's true that 'the real thing' will continue to command a premium, but from what I'm seeing that premium has definitely been reduced.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:55 am

The Elf wrote:
ConcertinaChap wrote:What if the existence of reasonably priced clones started to affect the second hand price of the original kit? Has anyone seen any evidence of that?
I've not only seen it, but I've been part of it. I was offered a decent secondhand monosynth yesterday, but I thought - I could have a Behringer Model D for a fifth of that...

I bought my Moog D purely because I wanted a Moog again, a nice bit of wood, and some even nicer, big knobs. My decision did not have anything to do with the sound, that was a given. If cosmetics and the name weren't important to me I'd have got the Berry, it sounds just the same. If the Moog D hadn't been available, I wouldn't have bought anything, as the Moog sound isn't that important to me. I kept turning it on and playing the same sound over and over again, Dark Side Of The Moon leads, it wasn't doing me any good as far taking my own music forward.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:37 pm

Some instruments become such a part of you that life without them is hard to imagine - my MiniMoog is my musical voice; it 'sings' for me!

The Odyssey has become very important to me in a short space of time. so I'll be interested to see how the Behringer version stands up.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:13 pm

And another sort of teaser..
https://youtu.be/oVxZ1Lrspck
A sort of recreation of MJ's thriller (but different enough to stop any copyright claim) but instead of the LinnDrum they used the RD808, now the bloke in the video (one of the RD808 engineers) did say,
"now the original used a LinnDrum, I wonder if anyone will ever make one of those ;) "
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:52 am

The Elf wrote:Some instruments become such a part of you that life without them is hard to imagine - my MiniMoog is my musical voice; it 'sings' for me!

The Odyssey has become very important to me in a short space of time. so I'll be interested to see how the Behringer version stands up.

My Easel has become part of me like that, can't imagine it not being here. Another unlikely candidate is my Strymon Big Sky, that just swept me away from day one, it was an instant thing, I had an Eventide Space before, but it didn't have the same magic and pulling power of the Big Sky.
I've got a Tascam 424 MK11 in the basement, I'm going to set up a little studio with just the Easel, the Big Sky and the 4 track, also looking forward to recording some lo-fI piano on the Tascam, with a cheap mic. Also got a couple of Monotron Delays, they are just amazing, more fun than a lot of expensive stuff, so spacey.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Random Guitarist » Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:09 pm

Mmm Big Sky. I know what you mean. I can't believe I paid so much for a 'guitar pedal', but I'm glad I did.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Arpangel » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:58 am

Random Guitarist wrote:Mmm Big Sky. I know what you mean. I can't believe I paid so much for a 'guitar pedal', but I'm glad I did.

Yes, I'd go as far to to say that the Big Sky is musical monosodium glutamate, it's instant nirvana, no other reverb I've owned, rack or pedal, has this weird "uplifting" sound, it's like it takes hold of anything you put through it and gently lifts it up to heaven.
The Eventide Space in comparison is very ordinary, there are lots of ultra dense reverbs like that, but none like the Big Sky.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:41 pm

Firstly it seems ODDYSEY's are starting to ship from Thomann so we should see some user reviews/unboxings soon.

Secondly there is this from the Behringer FB

YESSSS. We just successfully tested our first Poly-Aftertouch keyboard. Our engineers designed a new and very consistent way of pressure sensing.

Guess which products (plural!) we will be applying this new technology to?
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