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Postby Guest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:04 am

Sorry if this is the wrong section of the forum but could not find anything for equipment for live performance

Anyway I am looking at some prices hear on the site sm58 Mic and they all seem to be around 70_80 pound on Google but when we look on eBay not so.

For instance this one from Hong Kong there are 2 wireless mics with radio box for 70 quid
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-UHF-WIRE ... ect=mobile
But I have my doubts if it is genuine shure or not

Then we have this one for 75
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-SM58-D ... ect=mobile
But very little product info. So now I have my doubts if it is new or not

And on with the same price range
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-Sm58-M ... ect=mobile
But again they don't say a lot about there product do they


Now we go up in price more 170 quid
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHURE-SM58-M ... ect=mobile
But again no product description

But for a wireless one 225
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BNIB-SHURE-M ... ect=mobile
Lots of description, are they really that expencive?

Because if you want it shipping in from Canada it's nearly 500

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-GLXD24 ... ect=mobile
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Eddy Deegan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:27 am

music master wrote:I am looking at some prices hear on the site sm58 Mic and they all seem to be around 70_80 pound on Google but when we look on eBay not so.

As a first step, consider the price of an SM58 from a reputable source:
GAK: https://www.gak.co.uk/en/shure-sm58/6385 (£88)
Sweetwater: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail ... microphone ($99)

This sets a benchmark - and so far, broadly equivalent, so let's proceed:

music master wrote:For instance this one from Hong Kong there are 2 wireless mics with radio box for 70 quid
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRO-UHF-WIRE ... ect=mobile
But I have my doubts if it is genuine shure or not

The notes for that specific auction state:

What's included in the package:
1(one) UHF Receiver:
1(one)AC/DC adaptor
2(two)UHF Handheld Transmitter
1/4" - 1/4" cable: 1
User manual


Note, there is no mention of an actual mic, only the hardware to support wireless transmission. I have no idea whether this hardware is genuine or not but in the scope of this conversation so far it seems a little moot as they are not offering an SM58 as part of the price, just mentioning it as search-bait in the context of a possible mic to use with the package.

music master wrote:Then we have this one for 75
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-SM58-D ... ect=mobile
But very little product info. So now I have my doubts if it is new or not

What is there to say? It's an SM58 ... and at that seems a perfectly normal price for one (£80 +/- £10). Given you can buy them from established gear vendors for nearly the same price, that doesn't seem suspicious to me in any way. Is it genuine? No idea, but the price is not unreasonable and personally I'd go to GAK or equivalent, pay a handful of small-denomination notes more and not have to worry about it either way.

music master wrote:And on with the same price range
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-Sm58-M ... ect=mobile
But again they don't say a lot about there product do they

My thoughts on this are exactly as the previous link. Price broadly correct, if in doubt go to a reputable vendor.

music master wrote:Now we go up in price more 170 quid
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHURE-SM58-M ... ect=mobile
But again no product description

Sure. It's ebay. Someone is trying it on (unless the LC part means something, I haven't researched). Happens all the time. As sensible potential buyers we see this a lot. So we move on.

music master wrote:But for a wireless one 225
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BNIB-SHURE-M ... ect=mobile
Lots of description, are they really that expencive?

No, SM58s are not that expensive but that's not an SM58, it's an MXW2 wireless transmitter with an SM58. Amazon have it too: https://www.amazon.com/Shure-Wireless-H ... B00EEKB362 and it's a lot more expensive (at $449) than an SM58 because standard SM58s are not wireless.

International Shipping is usually expensive.

If you want an SM58, find a local store that carries an SM58 and get one with warranty and all the other feel-good factors that come with buying a new piece of gear. Saving a few dollars on ebay is probably not worth it in this case ;)
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Alba » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:43 am

I love 57s & 58s but i wouldnt buy a new one off ebay... might buy an old used one, maybe possibly... but not a new one... too many fakes out there, As Eddy says, go to a reputable dealer.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Guest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:10 am

Thanks for the good advice eddie. But I will most probably purchase a used one. That way if the job goes tits up or I need to chang, upgrade I have only lost my postage costs not half the value of the product. But wanted to know the real price of a new one to compete to the cost of an old one.

Have a look at this one 30 quid new. But I have my doubts on new!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-SM58-S ... ect=mobile

Do people usually carry a spear Mic with them while gigging in case it breaks?
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby zenguitar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:01 am

£30 is a LOT for a fake. Do you REALLY wanna take that risk?

Either buy from a physical retailer with a shop, or from a physical retailer's online shop. £30 is WAY too cheap to be legit, but if you want to be ripped off with a fake, go for it.

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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Eddy Deegan » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:26 am

music master wrote:if the job goes tits up or I need to chang, upgrade I have only lost my postage costs not half the value of the product. But wanted to know the real price of a new one to compete to the cost of an old one.

Price new is trivial to find (see top of my previous post). Why are you buying an SM58 in the first place? If it's because you have a job to do with it and don't know how it performs in the context of the requirement then probably you're either buying the wrong mic or haven't got enough knowledge to take on the job.

No matter what, If the job goes South for winter, then if you have a brand new mic from a reputable vendor with a receipt then you can sell it on for almost the same as you paid for it. You'd lose hardly anything, much less than the price of a second hand one and certainly nothing remotely close to half the value of the product.

Buying second hand is a crazy idea in this case, considering how cheap new ones are.

music master wrote:Do people usually carry a spear Mic with them while gigging in case it breaks?

Yes, usually. Also spare cables ;)
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Dave B » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:25 am

Beware of fakes! At best they aren't any good. At worst, they can potentially damage equipment.

A while back, I found a 'too good to be true' offer for a 'genuine' SM57/58 pair. When they arrived, I had a look and compared them to the real things. First, they don't sound as good - they work, but are fairly bright and harsh (even more so than the real things lol). But, when disassembled, the block of epoxy which usually held the transformer was just an empty block of epoxy. The practical upshot of this is that if you ever push phantom power through one, it can cause issues and potentially even blow the mic pre on the channel feeding it. Oh, and when Wonks got his hands on them, we found they were wired funny as well.

All other points (mostly Eddy's) are quite correct - I'd not use eBay for this kind of gear purchase. I'd shop around on reputable online retailers, or just nip into Andertons and grab one (my preferred physical retailer).
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Mike Stranks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:45 am

Don't even think of buying a wireless/radio mic without asking for advice here first!

Many on sale on EBAY and Amazon are illegal to use in the UK or can't be used without a licence.

As for SM58s... as I've already told you - no to new ones on Ebay, definitely no to Gumtree.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:01 am


The mic advertised is supposed to have a switch. The mic shown in the photo is an SM58 with no switch (the switch is on the same side of the mic as the XLR fixing screw which can be seen in the photo). Therefore it's a stock photo and not of the mic being sold. That along with the low price and a seller with only 3 feedback - all for expensive mics selling way lower than retail price - make it almost certain that its either a fake or stolen goods.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:26 am

music master wrote:Then we have this one for 75
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-SM58-D ... ect=mobile
But very little product info. So now I have my doubts if it is new or not

Not new, no mic clip or storage pouch. So buy the time you've bought those to go with it, then you are no better off money-wise buying new from a shop. Plus you don't have any guarantee to go with it.

music master wrote:And on with the same price range
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shure-Sm58-M ... ect=mobile
But again they don't say a lot about there product do they

More difficult with this one. The same stock photo in amongst other photos - why? Outward signs are that it's genuine or at least a very good looking fake. A very slightly dented grille. Not a Shure mic clip. The chap's also been selling SM58 replacement grilles. Not the sort of thing you normally get from private sellers unless he's bulk-bought to re-sell or refurb older SM58s. Dubious at best.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:31 am

music master wrote:Sorry if this is the wrong section of the forum but could not find anything for equipment for live performance

There is the complete Live Sound and Performance section. :headbang:

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=26
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:56 am

music master wrote:Sorry if this is the wrong section of the forum but could not find anything for equipment for live performance...

Didn't spot the clearly labelled: Live Sound & Performance forum then! :lol:

https://www.soundonsound.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=26

No worries.. I've moved your post there for you.

Anyway I am looking at some prices hear on the site sm58 Mic and they all seem to be around 70_80 pound on Google but when we look on eBay not so.

Ebay (and other market sites) are awash with counterfeit Shure mics, and there are lots of details online of how to tell the real and fake ones apart... such as the one below... but really if it seems cheap it's a fake (and will sound terrible!)!

https://fakesm58.wordpress.com/

Buy from a properly licensed retailer:

https://www.shure.co.uk/dealer_locator

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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:29 pm

Also, fakes often have thinner grille wire and a wider band round the middle of the grill. Difficult to tell without a comparison mic but its there (though a used SM58 may well have a non-Shure replacement grille).

A Shure has a bevelled edge to both the top and bottom halves of where the bottom o the body unscrews, so there's a shallow-v groove where the two body parts meet. A lot of copies just have flat mating edges so there's no indented groove, just a thin line.

Fakes often use a darker grey for the body. Again, hard to tell without a comparison

Real SM58 on the left, Dave B's fake on the right:

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At the XLR end, the Shure looks like a single casting but in fact has a hard to see insert for the male XLR. Copies often have an insert set a bit further in so that it is visibly two pieces.

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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby ef37a » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:48 pm

If you are concerned you might lose money look at the Prodipe TT1.

About 1/3rd the new price of the SM58 but as chunky at about 1/2kg. Slightly more sensitive.
I doubt they are AS indestuctable as the Shures but then not much else is!

Do not, BTW ever buy a microphone with a switch on it. People fiddle and you don't know if it is live or not until you get horrendous feedback. The switches are also a source of unrelaibilty.

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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby forumuser840717 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:03 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:Sure. It's ebay. Someone is trying it on (unless the LC part means something, I haven't researched). Happens all the time. As sensible potential buyers we see this a lot. So we move on.

The LC stands for "Less Cable". It signifies that no cable is included with the mic.
A CN suffix indicates that there's a cable included with connectors on both ends
An S suffix indicates that the mic has an on-off switch

Shure use the same suffixes across much of their range. They also use others from time to time.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby AlecSp » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:49 pm

My message is simple. Never buy an SM58 on ebay, you're *almost* guaranteed that it'll be a fake.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Guest » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:22 am

[quote="Wonks"]The mic advertised is supposed to have a switch. The mic shown in the photo is an SM58 with no switch (the switch is on the same side of the mic as the XLR fixing screw which can be seen in the photo). Therefore it's a stock photo and [u]not[/u] of the mic being sold. That along with the low price and a seller with only 3 feedback - all for expensive mics selling way lower than retail price - make it almost certain that its either a fake or stolen goods.[/quote]

[quote="ef37a"]Do not, BTW ever buy a microphone with a switch on it. People fiddle and you don't know if it is live or not until you get horrendous feedback. The switches are also a source of unrelaibilty.
Dave.[/quote]

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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby Wonks » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:45 am

Not quite sure what you are querying, but ef37a's comment is generally good advice. You don't want/need one when recording.

Live, you generally don't want a mic with a switch as people do meddle with them. It is a source of noise and can cause large pops over the PA when turned on or off. It is just something else that can fail over time and the mic won't last as long as one without a switch (except for major physical damage) because of this.

You don't want to go to sing or start to speak and find the mic is switched off. As said, there have been many times when a switched-off mic is switched back on and instant feedback has occurred because the mic has been moved to a more feedback-prone location or someone's raised a volume level etc. In the meantime. Without a switch this would become apparent beforetime.

There are occasions where a switch can be usefull, such as at a small conference with no one looking after the PA and the speakers/panel may want to have a discussion without it being heard (or recorded). But for almost all pro purposes, a mic without an on/off switch is better.
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby AlecSp » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Wonks wrote:There are occasions where a switch can be usefull, such as at a small conference with no one looking after the PA and the speakers/panel may want to have a discussion without it being heard (or recorded). But for almost all pro purposes, a mic without an on/off switch is better.
Talkback mic...
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Re: Prices of the sm58 mic

Postby ef37a » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:27 pm

AlecSp wrote:
Wonks wrote:There are occasions where a switch can be usefull, such as at a small conference with no one looking after the PA and the speakers/panel may want to have a discussion without it being heard (or recorded). But for almost all pro purposes, a mic without an on/off switch is better.
Talkback mic...

Indeed but only with Push to Talk otherwise the MD might find out EXACTLY what the recording engineer thinks of him!

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